Dishonored: Zicunicon Zenthendt

[Rufio]

What about the diminishing returns of heal-related pots?

This has never been an effective counter to put chugging in PvP.

[Delisha Zrazorian]

The solution is simple:
During the 1 hour before reset: PvP rules where no consumables will work.
During the 3 hours after reset: Everyone can have fun leveling together, PvP turned off and relics frozen.

not this...

[Shadowalker]

The solution is simple:
During the 1 hour before reset: PvP rules where no consumables will work.
During the 3 hours after reset: Everyone can have fun leveling together, PvP turned off and relics frozen.

Too restrictive, people need to be able to scratch what ever itch they got when ever they log on.

[Ryddwillow]

Battle-logging is actually against the rules

Really? State on this forum where it says this and over my time i can name you many ppl here that abused this. Really? It has been this way forever 2004, well maybe 2006, 4 servers back then but the point is that it happens and will happen.

Zicunicon Zenthendt's track record so far has included chugging heal pots early in his career, which he has apologized for and stopped doing. But he has moved onto better tactics over his lifetime, which include:

Trans-games back and forth to run away and avoid death
Restore pot chugging (and when i say chugging, i mean 40x in a single run from SL to AO)
Battle logging to avoid death in enemy territories in order to relog later (2 sessions in a row now, once with a relic, once without)

I know that none of these things are 'against the rules', but this is, consistently, the most dishonorable play I have seen out of any toon in my time on the server. I have not seen a single session against him where he has NOT done at least one of the above, with the exception of having superior numbers during AO defense.

Just wanted to make sure that everyone was aware and I urge you to have absolutely no respect for that toon, or player.

Really? You can go back like 5 yrs and find posts of mine about pvp chugging and I hated it but, when you "as a group" decided about making clerics (MONK/clerics) you thought you were happy then a fly in crap. You touted me and pretty said much be off you loser. So when a melee toon crafts potions and chuggs and uses his abilites compared to a cleric? Who are you to question anything? First thing from a guild is that "SOandSO is a chugger" You have apples and oranges here. I played many a cleric here and never used my heal spells to better my stance in pvp. I was old skool but when playing a SD many a times would would be amazed by following ppl in combat where they run from the battle screen and down 2 or 3 pots. heh. I never chugged but when I got tired of the old skool and adapted to the new school of watching high profile players chugging and spell casting their way to new health it baffled me for a bit. I learn quick and adapt. Apples and Oranges, same problems different day.


Learn to accept it and move on. A melee toons invest points in healing and crafting you have NO business to discredit him on any grounds because you played many a cleric/? and healed your way to life many a times.


Apples and Oranges

[Ryddwillow]

Now that I think of it I had a DD toon called chumpzilla ? Cleric/fighter/rog and never used a heal from spell or pot and was facing real Dragons before the great nerfed and fighting the shapeshifter vamps. Just keep on swinging and they will fall. It happened on a raid, a beefed up dragon and a Vamp and 1 other but "it" died quickly. I swung my warhammer with my friends and the vampire left with the relic. So I waited for 30 mins and got my vamp and we had fun, heh. The other vamp didn't like it.



Bottom line you are not going to beat everyone at that "Moment" it comes down to the builder and not the gear.


A pure paladin came in to AO when I was a Slave and he said I am going to raid you, erm ok, 1 min later he was dead and he whined on shout and forums how his toon sukked, not my fault, should we increase pally's abilities more because someone cannot build?


Apples and Oranges?

[mining]

Cleric healing is completely different in every way except one (heals you) than pots and/or kits.

[Frendel]

An obvious "smoke and mirrors" attempt at discrediting me here has been made related to my standpoint on battle logging. http://tinypic.com/r/e0mpv4/5 This video shows me sitting still for a moment, not running in a struggle for my life, not close to near death, with the full array of cleric spells at my disposal, and I disconnect from the server, in my own temple. What I'm guessing happened is I lagged out(when is this from anyway?), which would explain me sitting still before disconnect at injured. Mind showing the part where I come back to fight, or showing a more convincing case of battle logging? Battle logging looks more like a person doing everything they can to live i.e. running, chugging, trans-gaming, then finally a log at badly wounded or near death.

[mgrjebbo]

He bought the game, let him play it how he likes. As long as he isnt damaging the server then why cry about it? Boooo on you.

[Ryddwillow]

Cleric healing is completely different in every way except one (heals you) than pots and/or kits.

Really? in what way? Do you want this answer in which imposed on me? I 'll give it to ya



He bought the damn game it is right and rule to play this game.

There is NO rule stating he can chug or not to chug.

Clerical healing is different, yes but I build my melee tank to how I want to build, NOT you or any smart arse here. The rule of not healing in PVP combat was a grey line years before you got here. Yes, when guilds were allowed to inhabit a city then grey lines were drawn.

I was in charge of 3 guilds and I told my Clan not to heal and we crushed our enemies (Misfits, DD, Slaves) and if you say not then you are a LIAR. I scolded my players who healed in PVP because it was sort of from BannyD idea in which you fight with what you got, period. After the years other guilds here and there would run from transition points, chug, heal, whatever and come back fully healed---bullshit. Then it was what ever to win. Then with eyes squinted, if those bastards heal we will to, only if they heal first. Big name guilds chug and chug healed and healed. I could care less if you were a cleric or a lonely monk, you healed we healed. So piss off to the cleric/monks in which you despised then changed your stance on them in past post. For every action there is a reaction, We as a guild of 5 would crush your guild of 10, really? yes.

Then I took some time off and came back and some dumbarse from MA was in RK, I attacked him and I chug a strength potion and I pked him and "it" went to shout stating I chugged a heal pot. Hey read your battle log and read what it says dumbass.

There is NO RULE here what you can chug or not chug, play your game the way you want to but just play by the "golden Rules".

[Ryddwillow]

An obvious "smoke and mirrors" attempt at discrediting me here has been made related to my standpoint on battle logging. http://tinypic.com/r/e0mpv4/5 This video shows me sitting still for a moment, not running in a struggle for my life, not close to near death, with the full array of cleric spells at my disposal, and I disconnect from the server, in my own temple. What I'm guessing happened is I lagged out(when is this from anyway?), which would explain me sitting still before disconnect at injured. Mind showing the part where I come back to fight, or showing a more convincing case of battle logging? Battle logging looks more like a person doing everything they can to live i.e. running, chugging, trans-gaming, then finally a log at badly wounded or near death.

Don't worry about it, they the lawyers and number crunchers try to take SS and exploit them anyway possible. Just play your game and if you can sleep at night, Good tidings to you. The peanut gallery always says something, been there and done that, move on.

[Bargeld]

Cleric healing is completely different in every way except one (heals you) than pots and/or kits.

Really? in what way? Do you want this answer in which imposed on me? I 'll give it to ya

Cleric builds give things up in order to get heal spells. If you go heavy wisdom for a lot of spells, then your AB or other stats suffer. You lose HP, BAB, feat amounts, and other abilities that fighters and barbs get for each class rank... ESPECIALLY if pure fighter or barb. Those pure classes get abilities that replace the need for healing, such as extra HP or DR, tokens that disable in an area of effect, and extra AB and damage. With any non-cleric/healing class, there is a trade-off... rogues get sneak damage, AA and WM get non-capping AB and crit ranges. Cot get's AB and DR. Mages get spell penetration and often times spell effect scale based on their caster level. When you condone self healing through pots with those classes, you negate those trade-offs.

He bought the damn game it is right and rule to play this game.

No, it is by the grace of the admins that we can play here. It is not a RIGHT, but a PRIVILEGE. Buying the game gives you the RIGHT to go play offline all you want.

After the years other guilds here and there would run from transition points, chug, heal, whatever and come back fully healed---bullshit. Then it was what ever to win. Then with eyes squinted, if those bastards heal we will to, only if they heal first. Big name guilds chug and chug healed and healed. I could care less if you were a cleric or a lonely monk, you healed we healed.

So you adopted the 'whatever to win' attitude that they did. Way to go, you lowered yourself to their level rather than standing proud and having respect for yourself and your beliefs.

[mgrjebbo]

He bought the damn game it is right and rule to play this game.

Excatly correct. Players are able to play on the server because of staff donations of time, and because of DD's grace. However players are also able to play NS4 because of the players. Look at NS5 if you dont believe me. Players matter.

Oh on a side note, players can come on these message boards and cry a river about how someone else chooses to play their characters because of the same reasons listed above.

Personaly I completely disagree with the script to weaken healing pots. Diminishing returns doesnt make sense to me. I dont tend to use them as I mostly build clerics, but if someone wants to spend their time crafting potions or aquiring gold to buy them then fine. Why are we making rules and importing scripts to ruin their fun? If its just because a few folks cry about healing then that seems wrong.

That all being said this game is based on an RPG. So you tell me, if you were roleplaying a character and had the option to drink a magical drink to heal yourself or die would you really choose to die? If you said die then you suck at role playing...

[MrAsimov]

I've decided quoting all the relevant text from various people would be annoying, so I'm not even going to bother. If the reader thinks I'm commenting on something I'm not....oh well.

By all means, play the game however you want. You want to have half your inventory full of heal pots or healing kits and use them in pvp, go right ahead. You want to battle log, do it. You want to transition back an forth over and over and over again, please do. It breaks absolutely no rules whatsoever. It is even your right to brag about how wonderful you are, and how you do those things so well that you can take a relic and run it to your cradle. It is your right to be a total idiot. Feel free to do so at your convenience.

The large majority of players find this annoying, tedious, tiresome, not in the slightest bit fun and contrary to the concept of fair and decent play. And while it is everyone's right to do them, it is also people's right to post that they are being done. Also since the majority dislike these things, it might even be considered an obligation for someone to point out to the rest of the server when someone does such things. I am far too lazy to do that, but some people are more responsible than I.

[mgrjebbo]

If you dont like how someone pvp's then dont get involved in pvp with them. Let them take your relics. Then it cant bother you right?

Your choice i suppose.

[Ryddwillow]

Cleric builds give things up in order to get heal spell

Really? No disrespect but did you just land here on NS4 "TODAY"? Clerics have a better ab then a pure Fighter,barb, DWD, not as many hit points but throw in cleric/monk then geeeee the true builds are lost in PVP. Stun, stun, stun, my opinion is all have dealed with it. Look at the aka "nerf log" mage is 1 and then cleric, then druid.. I give you a pure mage, then I have a pure rogue, you will die. I give a true SD and I have true dragon (before the nerf), you will die. you take the balance out of 1 toon then it is a ripple effect for all. Each toon has great abilities but when you tamper with them too much a rift is going to happen.

By all means, play the game however you want. You want to have half your inventory full of heal pots or healing kits and use them in pvp, go right ahead. You want to battle log, do it. You want to transition back an forth over and over and over again, please do. It breaks absolutely no rules whatsoever. It is even your right to brag about how wonderful you are, and how you do those things so well that you can take a relic and run it to your cradle. It is your right to be a total idiot. Feel free to do so at your convenience.

The large majority of players find this annoying, tedious, tiresome, not in the slightest bit fun and contrary to the concept of fair and decent play. And while it is everyone's right to do them, it is also people's right to post that they are being done. Also since the majority dislike these things, it might even be considered an obligation for someone to point out to the rest of the server when someone does such things. I am far too lazy to do that, but some people are more responsible than I.

]By all means, play the game however you want. You want to have half your inventory full of heal pots or healing kits and use them in pvp, go right ahead. You want to battle log, do it

OK, let us break this down from a guy in MA, Ok here in this server NS4 a pure fighter was once and maybe still good today in pvp with a group, but is better in PVM environment, I as a pure fighter or barb or dwd will take the ability to use heal kits since i was designed for PVM. When involve with PVP I will use my abilities to achieve the better end of the fight! Half my inventory was heal kits and heal pots. i have seen many a fine player in this game, trust me on this one, chug or heal by clerical means, healing is healing period can you deny that? "healing is healing by spell or kits or pots" Healing is healing. I am a cleric (I can heal myself), because I am a cleric, the biggest bullshit line I have ever heard in my life.

You want to transition back an forth over and over and over again, please do. It breaks absolutely no rules whatsoever. It is even your right to brag about how wonderful you are, and how you do those things so well that you can take a relic and run it to your cradle. It is your right to be a total idiot. Feel free to do so at your convenience.

Really? Really? A MA guild member complaining about this one? Seriously? Are you for real?

It is your right to be a total idiot

Why am I a Idiot? Do I have to bow down to your rules (A big flapping Grey Area There), Really? We had rules years ago about healing on this server but trust me it was violated many a times by big guild names. It made me to pk you first is all, brush my hands off after I pk you, no more chugger here.

You want to transition back an forth over and over and over again, please do. It breaks absolutely no rules whatsoever. It is even your right to brag about how wonderful you are, and how you do those things so well that you can take a relic and run it to your cradle. It is your right to be a total idiot. Feel free to do so at your convenience.

Really? Ever fricken player does this, seriously. You have been here on this server for a while and I know you know that this happens many a times, no biggie. He must grate you.

heh.