Sub Race ability question...

[Hulgaru]

Here's a weird one I was thinking of, but hadn't seen a response to.

As far as sub-races and their ability plusses and minuses are concerned...

Do sub-race adjustments count toward the max bonus allowed for that ability score?

For example, the Gold Dwarf sacrifices Dex instead of Cha. So, when the character is first made, the character receives +2 Con and -2 Cha. When that character reaches the Server, the abilities are modified by +2 Cha and -2 Dex. Does this mean then that this character is limited to a maximum bonus to Cha of +10 for the rest of the game, or can this character still raise (through items and spells) the Cha ability score up +12?

If that example isn't clear enough, try looking at a Half-Ogre with +4 Strength... Now say the character takes Barbarian for the Rage ability. Let's also say (for the sake of the example) that this Barbarian acquired bracers that give +4 Str, and acquires some potions of Bull's Strength. Now say the Half-Ogre uses a potion (and gets a +4), the bracers (another +4, total +8) and Rage (another +4, total +12) ability. Does this mean that because of the sub-race bonus to Str of +2, that the Half-Ogre "loses" part of that +12?

[Shhhhhhh]

yes

[Lunas]

yes for now it is on the board of things to fix in the final version it wont count as an item and also you most likely wont need to worry about hitting 12+ as the highest outside ultra rare items not yet in is +6 and this will not change most people will only see a max of +6 on items