what is with domination

deathdearler1 · Post by **deathdearler1** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:35 am

i have built a druid for the second time, this time i'm not going for the all upity shifter. i have noticed that as i use the animal empathy skill i can use the animals to great advantage. it did however suprise me that i could dominate a manticore at the wold, and i could not even attempt to dominate a dire bear from west of the crossroads. is there something in place that doesn't allow them to be beasts as they should be? i can dominate other dire creatures such as boars and wolves just not the bears.

. i so had my heart set on having my very own pet dire bear to kick the goblins around with.

TTG · Post by **TTG** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:32 am

You can dominate Ancient Dire Bears, they're really strong too. Quite helpful, and make killing things and levelling far easier.

Well, at least you used to, I can't say for sure since I haven't done it in a few months. But last time I checked you could.

Post by **Lokey** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:32 am

Ancient dire made non-empathyable because it's...

Hard coded

Chicken (one hit die, domesticated, flightless): dc 20, 30 if hostile; take 20 if you are not in combat.

Ancient, dire, celestial, fiendish, undead, elemental, force paragon chicken with 100 in all stats (large number hit die): dc 20, 30 if hostile; take 20 if you are not in combat.

Something can be done from AI side...just something else to find a hokey way to rip it out of the game and put something sensible in.

deathdearler1 · Post by **deathdearler1** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:49 am

well, even the regular dire bears are invalid targets. i ran around like 12 of them and it said all were invalid. i know i can empathy dire wolves and little stuff, but just didn't know why i couldn't get a bear.

Zhorn · Post by **Zhorn** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:22 pm

One server I play on made pretty much every Animal bigger than a Lion immune to mind spells to stop people abusing the crap out of "Take 20".
Take 20 only makes sense to use on non-hostile animals as using Take 20 implies you don't have a time limit i.e. its not going to rip your head off any second now!

Then again DM's can see skill rolls so I guess you could always make all the animals charmable again but ban people who keep doing it!

deathdearler1 · Post by **deathdearler1** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:04 am

i don't know about not having a time limit or anything. technically a druid can walk up to pretty much any animal or beast without fear of it ripping their head off, as with a ranger also. that is why animal empathy is a class skill. i don't see ppl taking a lvl in ranger/druid to dump points into that one.