PM talk

Maankin · Post by **Maankin** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:51 am

A pure wizard with epic focus conjuration, should have a summon that is better then the current dragon knight/mummy king at level 40. These are almost pushovers at that level. Why else would you take epic focus conjuration? For the high DC on acid cloud or on evards back tentacles?
I can agree their summon is weaker then the DA, but their summons should at least be able to reduce the hp of a DP for a quarter in a battle before dying.

Something I haven't been able to test yet:
can PM summons be killed with a dismissal spell?
Does a Balor heal his PM summon opponent with harms?

Charles I · Post by **Charles I** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:02 am

Another thought on PM.

From NWN manual

Tip: Becoming a pale master
Sorcerers and wizards make powerful pale masters. Additional spellcasting ability is sacrificed for a stronger melee presence.

Last time I checked summoning and raising are spellcasting abilities. this being the case; a pure caster of equal total levels and with same feats/domains should actually have a superior summon to the PM.

algol333 · Post by **algol333** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:21 am

in responce to maankin....

balors spam harm on anything and everything that is near them...so if a PM is close...the PM summon would prob be harmed/healed by the balor...

i never had my DA get dismissed or banished...doesnt mean it cant be done though...

The DA while extremely powerful on the offence side of things... lacks AC and can easily be beat down...get some bludge wpns and he will fall quickly.........

but the DA is definitely the coolest summon imo....and i think the PM summon should be stronger than the other summons unless a pure 40 wiz or sorc focused in conjure gets a summon boost... then i think the pure 40 wiz summon and the DA should be about equal.....

anyhow just my 1.5 cents....

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:05 pm

Ryddwillow wrote:I am going to be nice to Mloki response:}. I developed it because 1) I never really played a pm and thought it was a challenge to me. 2) I wanted a tank to retrieve things( equipment, weapons, and etc. ). 3) I really don't play it now (went to new char). 4) I dont heal in battle unless i see someone heal first from the opposition. All chars have flaws vs other chars, been here for a long time and I have seen this. The problem lies within the builder not the build. Bandwagon on builds is something I tend to stay out of because it is usually a person got smacked around and they didnt like it. It is a game, and changes are being made everyday here for the better or the worse. I DEAL w/ it and move on. I'm done on this subject. Thankyou for your time.

The Willow

U asking a cleric not to "cast" heal is like us telling u not to use your summon. The spells given to a class IMO are well within the guidlines of pvp.

Now when u get a fighter chugging heal pots that when your bragging rights go away. U Have crit immune, clerics have buffs. U have a uber summon. Clerics have Heal spells.

and as far as the mummy dust goes .... does anyone really know how good it is since it IS uncapped? is there a pure lvl 40 caster on the server purely focoused in undead summoning? I have a lvl 22 cleric ( Trick, Death) and the mummy i have is pretty good. No where near amazing but ok.

Post by **DeputyDog** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:19 pm

Just built a pm with 84-85 ac, immune to crits and epic dodge+defenseive roll of course.

How do you hit it?

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:21 pm

DeputyDog wrote:Just built a pm with 84-85 ac, immune to crits and epic dodge+defenseive roll of course.

How do you hit it?

Harm, IGMS, Horid, implosion?

just a few suggestions !

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:29 pm

you hit it with smite evil, ofcourse the pm has to be evil for that to work. then you make pm's have a 25% vulnerability to divine damage, make smite pure divine and you dont have an issue.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:30 pm

Doesn't Harm require a Touch Attack roll to succeed? Not sure what AC does/does not apply on that.

What about everyone aside from clerics and mages?

havelot · Post by **havelot** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:19 pm

Just built a pm with 84-85 ac, immune to crits and epic dodge+defenseive roll of course.

How do you hit it?

Well, since said PM probably couldn't hurt a fly, I should think a Strength-based Half-Orge with 28 levels of WM, an applied +4 Manual of Strength Training and a certain Heavy Flail (with significant Elemental damage) could put a whopping on it in fairly short order. The AB of this build would, I think, top out at 70.

Post by **DeputyDog** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:19 pm

Well its a bard so saves are thru the roof.

Igms probably the only thing.

And no its not evil.

-BannyD- · Post by **-BannyD-** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:58 pm

DeputyDog wrote:Just built a pm with 84-85 ac, immune to crits and epic dodge+defenseive roll of course.

How do you hit it?

Arcane Archer...but assuming a Bard/Rogue/PM...it has no offensive power and is thus not a threat for anything but running a relic. and only PM gets high fort saves pre-epic. its not a BG so its saves arent that great...im sure nem could implode it.

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:08 pm

DM Slay

i say just Issacs (stilled/emp/maxd/quick) and GR + HB

Post by **DeputyDog** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:29 pm

Ab gets to about 55 with a rapier. The fatal flaw is 3 attacks and yes fort save suffers.

So even an ungodly relic raider can be killed.

BTW it also has blinding speed.

Its a fun char in a group. Doesnt die much but is stoppable.

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:32 pm

now if there was a way to stop the potion chugging... the PMs drink more pots than fatzo in oktoberfest

kingfatzo · Post by **kingfatzo** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:39 pm

Kromix wrote:now if there was a way to stop the potion chugging... the PMs drink more pots than fatzo in oktoberfest

yeah , tell me about it !

i have found that my mage combats PM's quite well.....the IGM's are a must, the only thing is to avoid getting too close to the PM

...then again, usually a person has more heals than i do IGMs, i can recall one individual (who was not a PM) chugged at least a dozen full heal pots as they ran frtom my mage to the refuge of avendell.....i sure hope that guy didnt buy em from elvin