Powr leveling

[DM_Kim]

I guess it's time to remind players about Power Leveling, which is Meta-Gaming and is dimly viewed by DM's.

There is nothing wrong with getting buffed by a lvl 40 PC then running around doing mayhem, PROVIDE you stay within your level class or spawn. For example, if anyone can solo Treesmashers at level 6 one on one without buffs then go for it. If you can not then your way out of your class level league.

If you can solo the Gnoll Pit Boss at level 10 then go for it. If you can not then your out of your league.

All we ask is that you stay reasonably within your class level. Get buffed all you want. If you insist on running killing off spawn that was never meant for your level because you have someone casting harm or curse song everything in sight be prepare to have some strange experiences. That would happen to both the lowbie and the high roller.

[Lorkar]

......Power Leveling, which is Meta-Gaming and is dimly viewed by DM's.

There is nothing wrong with getting buffed by a lvl 40 PC then running around doing mayhem, PROVIDE you stay within your level class or spawn. ..........

It is rare when we get to see contradictory statements from people, never mind when they are in the same post.
Saying Power-leveling is meta-gaming and is dimly viewed by DM's and then turning around and saying it is fine getting buffed by a 40 is just like a 16 year old girl coming home and telling her parents she is only a little bit pregnant.
Either she is or she isn't.
Considering how much meta-gaming goes on here and the emphasis on getting to 40, it is hypocritical to put limits on how much meta-gaming is allowed.

[Korr]

I have to agree with Lorkar on this one. Even going with the state of Atheria, everyone is at war. There are godlike characters running around swatting everything in their path . . . when their path is areas where young adventurers roam. You join a guild, make a friend . . . get a godlike friend at that. You have them help you.

I have gotten 6 characters up to level 40 with little powerleveling, I am back in school. I dont have the time that I did over the summer or during break to grind that much anymore. So after proving time and again that I can do it, why cant I make it faster?

[Chernobyl_Glow]

acknowledged regarding harm/curse etc. understood.

but the "out of your league" note. doesn't the CR differential cap of 7 essentially manage that for you? Even if I'm level 1 and killing tree smashers its for no gain as I'm only going to get xp as if the creature was lvl 8 right? which in turn makes it pointless to try. is a difference of 7 not an acceptable gap limit? if you have that system tool in place then i don't understand the point of enforcing a different rule which we all (including you as a DM) have to manage manually.

the benefits of the limit of 7 seems are that it is
- Exact
- In Place already
- Enforceable
- And Automatic.

again part of the reason we've been successful leveling like this is because we're running 6 or 7 at about the same lvl at the same time. of course laufer came and wiped us all out anyway. lol.

from an RP stand point isn't this the same as having a really good coach? like having michael jordan teach you to play basketball as opposed to michael klein (my overweight high school coach)? or as opposed to having no coach at all?

just my thoughts and we'll comply with any limits you choose to set.

- Glow -

[Amoenotep]

how many ppl on this server have a char that can solo all of sunken at lvl 13? raise your hands

[Korr]

Solo? I think the point glow was trying to make is that there are generally 6 of us running.

And if were having problems with "meta-gaming". I would like to put this out there. Of the last 3 times me PKing someone (higher level all 3 times, and no I wasnt level 40 buffed) was publicly shouted a certain login came RUNNING to get me . . . -Turge-. With his newest insta-40 toon . . . every time as far as I got for info noone told him where I was, and yet he knew!

[Lorkar]

how many ppl on this server have a char that can solo all of sunken at lvl 13? raise your hands

And that has to do with the price of tea in China how? Using Sunken as an example is flawed, most meleer's going into sunken will get slaughtered well into their 20's attempting it by themselves even with self-buffing. And to be truthful, most people avoid Sunken until later for just that reason. I fought through it a few years back with a party and thought later it was too much of a hassle to level in with other characters when there were other areas to get XP faster and easier. Sunken is a great place but not worth the trouble when you are power leveling.

[Amoenotep]

except when you find a lowbie being power lvld there by a cleric harming everything down to the single hit to kill range....you know, like what this post was actually about.

[diddy33]

except when you find a lowbie being power lvld there by a cleric harming everything down to the single hit to kill range....you know, like what this post was actually about.

There is nothing wrong with getting buffed by a lvl 40 PC then running around doing mayhem, PROVIDE you stay within your level class or spawn. For example, if anyone can solo Treesmashers at level 6 one on one without buffs then go for it. If you can not then your way out of your class level league.

All we ask is that you stay reasonably within your class level. Get buffed all you want. If you insist on running killing off spawn that was never meant for your level because you have someone casting harm or curse song everything in sight be prepare to have some strange experiences. That would happen to both the lowbie and the high roller.

so is it ok if a group of lowbies are being buffed by a cleric as long as the cleric isn't going around harming and damaging everything to near death?

[Lorkar]

except when you find a lowbie being power lvld there by a cleric harming everything down to the single hit to kill range....you know, like what this post was actually about.

The solution to that is simple, engage the same limiting tool that is used to go to FD. And honestly I did not know what this topic specifically referred to. I thought it was more of a generalization.

[Korr]

thats my understanding, and from what I usually hear from Kim in-game that is also in-line.

[Bargeld]

This may not be a topic for me, but I'll try to stir things up a bit... how much does dual-logging and pleveling come into this picture? I see clear distinctions on both 'sides' here. The DM side seems to apply very much to dual logging and pleveling your own toon, whereas Korr and Lorkar seem to continue referring back to parties of 6 with a single buffer.

I think this is the root of the confusion. I also think, given the recent posts regarding dual logging, that the 'problem' is pretty cut and dry. Don't dual log your own level 40 to plvl yourself (whether you have a group or not.) If you are all separate players and the lvl 40 buffer is actively playing and harming/cursing etc., I don't see much problem as this now removes the meta-gaming aspect and can be easily explained (as mentioned previously) that you have good 'friends' to help you out. You can't be your own friend and try to use that rationale.

[Heeza]

And on another related note..... As a level 7 I was in an area I felt was appropriate for my level, only to get my butt handed to me by a level 3 that was buffed to the hilt by a high level toon. I of course shouted something about thugs and villians in the zone....and then promptly took myself somewhere else to level. Feeling this was the appropriate thing to do.

Now, this may, in no way, violate any rule set forth by the NS4 rules lawyers; but personally I felt it to be a bit "cheesy"

[Amoenotep]

i wasn't getting specific..just giving an example of meta gamey power lvling in areas where chars shouldn't be for their lvl.

[Ryddwillow]

I'm old school and lvl myself, Once in a Great while I might get a buff here and there. I must admit having a lvl 3 toon and soloing Gnolls is a little far fetched. I think it was about time this issue was addressed and executed.