Do I need to remind people of stuff they should know?

[Ade]

The other day I was shooting the breeze w/ another player near FD and he said he had just switched toons because his lowbie had been PKed 20+ times by a group of DD's and other unsavory types, and that he was unable to make any progress.

Today, I stepped outside of FD onto an area transition that had been greased (this was a separate incident from the PvP skirmish tonight). The offending parties ran off when they saw I had Freedom of Movement; obviously waiting for more lowbies to pick off.

This is really pathetic behavior. You shouldn't have to wait for a victim to take a screenshot of what you're doing and report it to know that what you're doing is wrong. You people know who you are.

I have seen a great deal of "bending" the rules lately- almost back to how it was during the days of MD. Keep it up guys, and ruin it for everyone.

[Alkapwn]

I wasnt involved in it but I assume it was all in the same zone.
One should know not to return to a zone after being pk'd there twice even let alone 20+ times.
I assure you that all DD's know the pk'ing rules very well. If someone wants to walk into our swords 20 + times we'll be more than happy to oblige.
DD's main goal is to keep pvp alive and fun on this server. We play the "Enemy". Red=Dead. And there are plenty of guilds on this server who dont even hesitate to attack us. I don't know why everyones crying about us pk'ing lowbies its not like we're the only ones who do it? We're just instigating pvp is all and contributing to the world. We are Evil you know....
We play here for fun not to grief other players. If one of us is seriously ruining your life by pking you, we're all real decent people, it just takes a friendly tell to sort something out.
As far as rule bending goes I'm not sure what your refering to but the deathdealers dont "bend" the rules. 90% of us have been playing here a very very long time and are quite familiar what happens to rule benders.

[Ade]

One should know not to return to a zone after being pk'd there twice even let alone 20+ times.
I assure you that all DD's know the pk'ing rules very well. If someone wants to walk into our swords 20 + times we'll be more than happy to oblige.

If the person is not attacking you, and is not in your faction's territory, you are not to attack them once the three kill limit has been reached. You know this, everyone knows this.

Maybe all of you DD need to chill out in the ban box for a week. Is anyone else with me on this?

I don't give a flying crap about you "instigating" whatever on this server. Your rhetorical defense is not going to change the server rules. Obey them or watch your guild burn to the ground. Don't think it can't happen again, dude.

[Alkapwn]

What level the player your killing makes no difference... its perfectly okay for a level 40 to PK a level 1. What's considered too much is when a player kills another player more than 3 times in 6 hours. It's generally a good idea to take your lumps and move on if you're a low level characater. If the player has declared a takeover and ownership of that area then its ok for them to kill as much as they want... but they can't kill you elsewhere then past the 3 kills or they're breaking the rules.

Sounds complicated but it seems to work for the most part. The worst thing you can do is whine on shout (not sure if you did this or not)... that's what most players like to see when they kill another player... it only encourages them. Just be silent and avoid them. There's many places to go and even if a player takes an area over you generally aren't stuck.

Ade , you aren't new to the server. This has be going on for aslong as i've been on this server. If a character or group of characters wish to take over an area for whatever reason it shouldn't be a problem. The server is full of players that love to pvp and would race at the chance to get some action. DD isn't the only guild to behave like this. I've been on both sides of those battles and they're usually a great time.

You are obviously upset. Screaming for our guild to be banned though? We're just a handful of players having a good time.

[Ghostly]

Perhaps the individual or individuals should ask themselves those certain common sense questions before its brought to the forums.
Did I transition into an area that was taken over/claimed by another group? If so, move on to another area, because they're allowed to continue PK'in you if you keep coming into the area.
Did they follow you into a new area? If so, then they MUST adhere to the 3 pk rule
Never assume just because you've been playing on the server longer you know the rules better. I've seen quite a few old time players get nailed by the staff for breaking the commandments do to them thinking a commendment was written a certain way when in fact it wasn't.
Lastly, always re-read the commandments. Its saves everyone a lot of unwanted headaches.

[Blystos Re]

If the person is not attacking you, and is not in your faction's territory, you are not to attack them once the three kill limit has been reached. You know this, everyone knows this.

Maybe all of you DD need to chill out in the ban box for a week. Is anyone else with me on this?

I don't give a flying crap about you "instigating" whatever on this server. Your rhetorical defense is not going to change the server rules. Obey them or watch your guild burn to the ground. Don't think it can't happen again, dude.

Inhale...

Exhale...

Right. Ade, the thing is, it's really not rhetoric. If a group of player sticks to one map and other players continue to try to break through, the PK rule doesn't apply. So, in short; no, I'm not with you on this. DD isn't going to implode like the MD did.

If you really want to make a difference, stop the talk and bust some heads. If you can't do it alone, get some help. You said they scattered when they saw you come through...so did you run them down and finish the job?

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Sometimes you should let your actions speak for you.
Your words could use some temperment.

[mgrjebbo]

Seems pretty clear to me, a group of people were outside FD killing folks and those folks chose to keep coming back for more.

All legal. Sad i missed it, sounds like fun.

[Chernobyl_Glow]

The gent who got pk'd 20 times must not have known the rules. You CAN claim Any zone on the server in any territory. If any others want to try to take it from you (at any level) it is allowed to pk them as many times as they try. As long as its not in two or more different zones. Any zone is fine whether it is your territory on not. i.e. the dark forest is pretty common. A typical fun place is to claim another's relic room and challenge them to take it back.

Further, DD and IO, in my opinion Have been playing inside the rules. Not on the fringes. And further, in the last two weeks there have been some absolutely fantastic pvp battles. All factions, all groups. I can remember a pretty good blood fest last week in the Earth plane which flowed into the RK nexus. That was fun. Frostdale has been a real hot spot lately too. Efreets especiallly.

And it generally starts with some high level player clearing the efreets cave of Ev-er-y thing. lol. Then some high level "protector comes" (like you might do as a paladin). Then friends of that guy come. And random passers by and so on. Pretty soon we've got a big time PVP battle and we don't know why and don't care why. Last night we were all resting and rebuffing next to each other in Frost and then jumping through the transition to take on more blood shed.

The biggest problem as you illuded to is the temptation to "revenge log". Its really awful when the good PVP starts up and you have to wait 30 minutes to play because you were one of the original lowbies that were attacked. I've seen players ask for permission to relog so that they can join in. "Anyone object to me logging my other char to join in PVP?" I've not seen this denied when asked in a friendly manner. The downside of the rule is that your other option is to sit around in the midst of high level pvp while you are stuck on your 18 lvl wizard getting punked.

I've only been playing for about a year but PVP lately has been as good as I can remember.

Good fights last night.

- Glow -

[Shhhhhhh]

The gent who got pk'd 20 times must not have known the rules. You CAN claim Any zone on the server in any territory. If any others want to try to take it from you (at any level) it is allowed to pk them as many times as they try. As long as its not in two or more different zones. Any zone is fine whether it is your territory on not. i.e. the dark forest is pretty common. A typical fun place is to claim another's relic room and challenge them to take it back.

Further, DD and IO, in my opinion Have been playing inside the rules. Not on the fringes. And further, in the last two weeks there have been some absolutely fantastic pvp battles. All factions, all groups. I can remember a pretty good blood fest last week in the Earth plane which flowed into the RK nexus. That was fun. Frostdale has been a real hot spot lately too. Efreets especiallly.

And it generally starts with some high level player clearing the efreets cave of Ev-er-y thing. lol. Then some high level "protector comes" (like you might do as a paladin). Then friends of that guy come. And random passers by and so on. Pretty soon we've got a big time PVP battle and we don't know why and don't care why. Last night we were all resting and rebuffing next to each other in Frost and then jumping through the transition to take on more blood shed.

The biggest problem as you illuded to is the temptation to "revenge log". Its really awful when the good PVP starts up and you have to wait 30 minutes to play because you were one of the original lowbies that were attacked. I've seen players ask for permission to relog so that they can join in. "Anyone object to me logging my other char to join in PVP?" I've not seen this denied when asked in a friendly manner. The downside of the rule is that your other option is to sit around in the midst of high level pvp while you are stuck on your 18 lvl wizard getting punked.

I've only been playing for about a year but PVP lately has been as good as I can remember.

Good fights last night.

- Glow -

Is it still not allowed to relog if someone claims a zone? that seems a bit odd.

[Korr]

Thou shalt not relog any character to exact revenge on a lost PvP fight, whether higher or lower in level than your original character. In the case of defending your faction city, this will be allowed if you do not change the faction of your original character.

Sorry to jump a bit off topic, but I think this is semi-relevant. I have had a few discussions with people about this, particularly the last sentence.

What I am seeing here is that you cant raid with a toon from one faction and then swap factions to defend with another.

So lets say I raid SL with my RK toon and bring the relic to TC. I cant log in a TC toon (or NC) to defend TC after getting the relic there.
Does this extend to I cant raid TC with my MA toon and then bring the relic to SL, and try to defend with an SL toon?

[ashsagoon]

The only time you can relog for pvp is when defending your home relic cradle. And if you do, you are not allowed to switch factions. I've seen this broken with people swapping between their faction and their sister faction, but I think that second part isn't a big deal. I know most of us just raid for the PVP, not necessarily to take the relics.

[mgrjebbo]

Really? Has this not been beat to death. Common sense folks.

[Shhhhhhh]

common sense would be to allow relogging, so people are able to fight with equal level characters, which is more fun for the low lvl and assumably more fun for the higher lvl too since he gets an actual challenge and actual pvp instead of just killing a lowbie

[mgrjebbo]

I tryed to argue that fact along time ago, it didn't fly. Mainly because some folks get angry that you have a 40 and they only have a 32 which just killed your 25. So the thought is its unfair that just because you have spent more time on the server doesn't mean you should be able to put that time to use.

I have been for getting rid of all pk rules for along time. Mass killing no 3 pk rule no relog rule nothing. Just STFU and die! *cough* To much time around Havok sorry....

The simple fact is to keep the peace and make it a more enjoyable place to play for everyone from casual players to people who never log off there needs to be some ground rules. The ones in place do help to prevent big emotional flare ups...except for Ade apparently.

[Joeakathebigb]

have been on the receiving end of the grease thing at Frost Dale. Was on lowbie they had to buff so i felt pretty good about that. If you would like to get through announce in chat that "The evil ones have blockaded Frost Dale's gate to Ice Trolls could some one please rescue". There is a good chance that someone from opposing faction will come and try to run them off.