Rashka shape dispell needs looked at?

[VagaStorm]

During fighting to day it was reported to dispell erthgen and gith racial abilities, epic warding and bardsong

[Mythri Wolfwood]

Bard songs are dispellable?

[disastro]

yes.

at least, ive had it torched once in a while by a dispel. at first i thought it was a weird timing coincidence, but ive seen it blown away a few rounds after re-singing.

[Sparky]

Well, Racial Abilities technically are dispellable, wether we've implemented that fully or not is another issue. Bard song should not be dispellable, and neither should an Epic spell without an Epic Seeded dispel, though if it is, you've just given me some ideas.

[Benjamin Linus]

I thought the reason it was changed so that grabbing a relic doesnt dispel racial abilities was because they arent spells, they're racial attributes. Thats also why bard song, by anything other than that uber debuff from like demiliches and such, isn't dispellable. They're not spells.

An Epic Seeded Dispel spell would be cool for pure casters that would strip Epic Warding and Epic Mage Armor feats, possibly even Epic summons, but still not racial stuff or bard song. Maybe not for all pure casters either, just ones with Epic Abjuration feats.

[Sparky]

Racial abilities are spell-like abilities, and subject to dispelling, in the DnD world at least.
We've ventured a fair way from DnD though for various reasons.

[Benjamin Linus]

Understood, I just mean like, Earth Gen for example, the warding graphic. Even though the graphic looks like warding, is really just a representative of him being made of rock. Like how his low level token just gives him the stoneskin appearance and the natural ac, that appearance is probably a more accurate visual for his high level ability than the warding is.

I dont get how one would dispell a rock from being a rock (without a personal pnp fav. Rock to Mud)[ooh maybe a use finally for Stone to Flesh]. Or Githzerai, +4 dodge because they're all quick-like. Thats not a spell, thats like dexterity related. Drow and tiefling darkness, yeah cause they cast that, but not their SR (at least from the Rakshasa Greater dispell) because thats whats Mords is for.

But, for consistencies sake, that also means that the 2 Epic buff feats Mage Armor and Warding, should maybe be dispellable somehow since they actually are spells. Maybe taking a relic, and DWP caliber stuff, possibly that Epic Seeded Dispell idea (or, god help me, the pure pali ability) could do it.

[Bargeld]

Just to share... the demilich dispelled my Svirfneblin racial conceal and my monk class conceals yesterday. Had a lot of 'this creature's might over comes your ...' messages during that battle, so it would make sense that a creature of those epic proportions would be able to dispel a lvl1 race ability if he is able to dispel a lvl 20 class ability.

[LinuxPup]

Svirfneblin's 50% concealment is supposed to be dispellable... otherwise it replaces 5 epic feats.

[Blystos Re]

ooh maybe a use finally for Stone to Flesh.

Awesome.
Stone to Flesh should totally dispell the Earth Gen racial ability.

[frogofpeace]

Svirfneblin's 50% concealment is supposed to be dispellable... otherwise it replaces 5 epic feats.

Is duergar improved invis dispellable as well?

[LinuxPup]

I believe so... at least by the breach/mord spells, not sure about greater dispel.

[Celorn]

During fighting to day it was reported to dispell erthgen and gith racial abilities, epic warding and bardsong

That needs fixing.

Also... Is there any way the DEVs can bring back the ability to BLESSing crossbow bolts that adds the property 'On Hit: Slay Rakasha'?? That might help balance some things out a bit ;] Also, Rak's seem to have bioware trueseeing, and knockdown immunity, and that staff can be nasty!

And some testing needs to be done with the undead shapes... from what I have seen heal spells have no effect -- but I'm not entirely sure that SR blocked this or not?

I'm going to make my own shifter and start experimenting with this stuff...

[LinuxPup]

I tested the Rakshasa greater dispel, and it seems to work fine... couldn't dispel much... it casts the same Greater Dispelling spell that everyone else can cast. What am I missing?

[Celorn]

I tested the Rakshasa greater dispel, and it seems to work fine... couldn't dispel much... it casts the same Greater Dispelling spell that everyone else can cast. What am I missing?

You tried it on an earth gen? bard? gith? drow? etc..? If not I have some toons you can test it on... if you're on when I am.

And also -- can it not be cast an unlimited number of times?