Sunburst

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:58 am

The sunburst spell was tweak awhile back to allow extra damage to undead, and up the cap i belive. Does this also apply to pm's or are they not considered undead for all the vulnerablities instead just reciving all the benefits?

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:14 am

pm's aren't undead

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:15 am

then why do they have crit and sneak immunity?

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:16 am

they are quasi undead...they aren't real undead

Merrip · Post by **Merrip** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:31 am

Yes Palemasters are not considered "True Undead" for certain things like Heal damage. Harm heal type thing.

Shifters Undead Forms are considered "True undead" the only thing that is no undead abot them is negative energy traps will not heal them.

Daedalus · Post by **Daedalus** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:37 am

Damage from traps and weapons don't harm/heal undead. Eg a negative energy weapons will hurt undead.

It is only based on spells eg harm and heal and other associated negative energy spells.

Merrip · Post by **Merrip** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:40 am

Well undead get dramatic damage from Divine Traps compared to non undead, and normally negative energy traps will heal undead just not shifted undead

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Post by **Binkyuk** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:54 am

Liches are truly undead, PMs aren't. If they were they'd get immunity to all mind affecting effects, death magic, stat drains, level drains, disease and poisons. They don't.

Merrip · Post by **Merrip** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:08 am

Yep I said that already.

Post by **Binkyuk** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:30 am

You did?

npasher · Post by **npasher** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:20 am

Didn't we just have a debate over the "undeadness" of PM's and such?

Merrip · Post by **Merrip** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:32 am

I said PM's are not true undead but the Undead Shifted form is, which included a Rizzen Lord which might as well be a scythe wielding Lich.

Post by **Binkyuk** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:34 am

npasher wrote:Didn't we just have a debate over the "undeadness" of PM's and such?

Yeah but it comes around again every time someone's cleric or pally is beaten by one.
The other one is whether PMs are 'intrinsically evil'.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:06 pm

PM's are evil and should be aligned as such...maybe some day ns4 will come around to that conclusion also.

Post by **Binkyuk** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:54 pm

Don't you repress me, godboy!

I'm not evil, I'm just ethically challenged.