Cross Faction Raiding?

eklibo · Post by **eklibo** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:39 am

In the past weeks I've heard some complaints flying around on the shout channel about people raiding with high level toons from one faction and then depositing the captured relics in another faction's city. For example, someone with toons in both RK and AO could grab a high level toon from RK, raid Melencia, deposit the stolen relic in Sleeth, and then log his/her low level character from AO, and benefit from the relic capture.
(This is purely for the sake of example, I have seen no evidence that anyone from AO or RK has done this)

I've heard some cry foul and others defend the right of a player to decide where his captures go. From a strictly RP point of view, considering that the NS4 documentation says there are no allies in the pursuit of relics, it seems unfair that someone should be able to use his/her characters and resources in this manner. However, NS4 is not a role playing server as far as I have seen.

Without naming names or citing examples, I'd like to ask both the DMs/Devs and the general population if this is acceptable. Opinions and interpretations of the relic raiding rules are welcome.

(not trying to start a conflict or get anyone in trouble, I just want to see what people think...)

-The Razengards of (TSS)

Post by **VagaStorm** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:03 am

I'd saytits cheesy, but not ilegal.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:54 am

I recognize you, you're that TSS that has been helping IO and MA in general capturing relics. While the Relic Wars can be described as a Free For All, there is a general underlying structure beneath it that is the foundation of Aetheria. Among them are the Factions, what makes NS4 what it is. Some factions are allies while some are arch-enemies.

The point I've been trying to get across to you is that even though the Relic Wars is a free for all, MA and TC are two arch-enemy factions. Heres the list.

MA <-> TC
AO <-> NC
RK <-> SL

LA, being the odd man out, has no specific arch-enemy, but rather, has no allies but just all enemies in general.

The reason you'll see me defending the AO cradle is not only are the Slaves are closest Guild, but AO is the ally of RK. Not to say that we've always been allies, Sandy Cheeks is still hostile from the days of DCN vs. -BB-.

So while it may seem that theres no difference between a TC helping MA and a RK helping AO because neither of the factions they're helping are their own, from an RP perspective, theres a huge difference as one is helping an enemy and the other is helping an ally.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:28 am

if i see you do it i'll just kill you...let you lay and make you respawn

eklibo · Post by **eklibo** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:41 pm

OK Gary, you're taking this way too personally. That was a one time thing because I happened to be partied with some MA to gain xp and they wanted to raid, so I availed myself of the opportunity to kill some slaves. No one TSS could possibly stand up against that many IO, so I just had some fun with it. That is the only time I have ever "helped" MA. (in quotes because I wasn't even there for the relics)
So, what I'm saying is that you've missed the point of this thread. State your opinion on the matter at hand or take your griping elsewhere.

Amoenotep, thank you for you input. Very concise and definitive.

-The Razengards of (TSS)

Korr · Post by **Korr** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:33 pm

In war pacts are made and broken everyday, Ive seen some of what youre talking about. I think it personally ill-suited to do so, but at the same time 2 allied factions might have reasons to work with eachother. 1 person working with himself for 2 factions seems worse. Would it not be true though that those with the strongest allies have the best chance of surviving a war-torn world?

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:00 pm

eklibo wrote:OK Gary, you're taking this way too personally. That was a one time thing because I happened to be partied with some MA to gain xp and they wanted to raid, so I availed myself of the opportunity to kill some slaves. No one TSS could possibly stand up against that many IO, so I just had some fun with it. That is the only time I have ever "helped" MA. (in quotes because I wasn't even there for the relics)
So, what I'm saying is that you've missed the point of this thread. State your opinion on the matter at hand or take your griping elsewhere.

Amoenotep, thank you for you input. Very concise and definitive.

-The Razengards of (TSS)

I've actually seen you do it a number of times as you now carry a personal vendetta against RK/AO it seems.

Also, in relation to the subject at hand, I remember seeing something similar back in the days of SL's relic superiority. One of the SL Raiders had previously been LA and they used their LA character to retrieve relics, drop it in the SL temple, and had one of their SL characters put in the cradle. It was pretty cheesy.

Post by **Malik** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:27 pm

Amoenotep wrote:if i see you do it i'll just kill you...let you lay and make you respawn

Likewise

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:47 pm

bah a person spends their time how they want online i say. do what you will with it.

this being said, it makes me want to VOMIT thinking that a TSS would help MA cap relics.

Post by **AllAmerican** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:30 am

mgrjebbo wrote:bah a person spends their time how they want online i say. do what you will with it.

this being said, it makes me want to VOMIT thinking that a TSS would help MA cap relics.

Could not have said it better my self. Have some honor man! If you die defending then you are still better off then joining the forces of MA. That goes for any faction helping their opposing faction.

As a Diety of Melencia, I will strike you down if I see any activity such as this again.

$chase$ · Post by **$chase$** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:02 am

ill strike you down just to amuse myself. but i hate players who help there enemy.
RED = DEAD

Charles I · Post by **Charles I** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:27 am

I believe there was a post concerning this some time ago. Unfortunately my search for the post was unsuccessful. To paraphrase "You may not use characters from one faction to obtain a relic for a different faction." The DMs will punish you. Raiding with an ally is ok, but if you get a relic, you must take it to the cradle for that character's faction. Don't drop it for some other faction to pick up. The relic game doesn't have a lot of restrictions but this is one of them.

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:22 am

Im not even a DM but still......

$chase$ wrote:ill strike you down just to amuse myself. put i hate players who help there enemy.
RED = DEAD

Post by **VagaStorm** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:11 pm

So it seems it is not illegal which means no damnation for doing it, but the gods frawn upon it, so smiting WILL occur

eklibo · Post by **eklibo** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:40 pm

A couple of things:
1. Gary, if you wish to perpetuate your lies, I challenge you to post a screenshot of me "helping IO and MA in general capturing relics"
2. Chase, when you say, "i hate players who help there enemy", do you also mean that you think we should only party with allies for general play, or are you only referring to the relic games?
3. If anyone can find the post that Charles I referred to and link it in this thread, I would appreciate it. That would probably answer my question.

Thanks to those who have contributed.

-The Razengards of (TSS)