dragon fear aura

[BlkMamba]

All things considered
This post should not have even went this far:



SL has just as nasty of a affect, divine poison 40 somthing dc or die
reguardless of immunities

AO has there RDD dragon Aura, make a will and hope you can live thru it
(at least you have a chance if you fail)

MA, the most powerful summons available
try and stay on your feat with this one

TC all them nice shifter builds and well done job with them

NC has quite frankly the best PrC available to them
Nothing can go toe to toe with a CoT in wrath mode

RK, can make just about anything
as long as you dont mind being a dwarf or gnome

Other than some fine tuneing
most of the factions have something to offer
yes matchups do take into account
but this thread shouldnt even exist

Dragon Aura is hardly worth this much attention


Mamba...

[burrahobbit]

All things considered
This post should not have even went this far:



SL has just as nasty of a affect, divine poison 40 somthing dc or die
reguardless of immunities

AO has there RDD dragon Aura, make a will and hope you can live thru it
(at least you have a chance if you fail)

MA, the most powerful summons available
try and stay on your feat with this one

TC all them nice shifter builds and well done job with them

NC has quite frankly the best PrC available to them
Nothing can go toe to toe with a CoT in wrath mode

RK, can make just about anything
as long as you dont mind being a dwarf or gnome

Other than some fine tuneing
most of the factions have something to offer
yes matchups do take into account
but this thread shouldnt even exist

Dragon Aura is hardly worth this much attention


Mamba...

All things considered, do a little more considering. I love to over simplify stuff too but what you posted there is just silly.

P.S. Just because your DwD cant stand toe to toe with a CoT doesnt meant that nothing can

[Lorkar]

Assassins just may have as nasty an effect as the aura but, the big difference is the aura is constant and the poison attack is a one shot deal with a cooldown and other restrictions.

[Korr]

Yeah and my assassin was gonna have a DC 50+ ';)

[BlkMamba]

There was no Over Simplifacation

I could careless about my dwd vs anything
considering he has no ab or ac,
he shouldnt beat anything anyday
but he does on occation

Fact is you can save vs the fear aura with little effort
and again its a game of dice

And i'm betting, a self buffed dragon vs
self buffed Cot would be a very close fight

Yes you run into most of the time Dragons buffed by other toons
but you cannot compare that to the base dragon

There's a counter in every faction for something
Just gotta explore that option

I'm just as guilty of being lazy about lvling toon as the next guy
But looky, i have a wm that can beat a dragon, but not a CoT

Imagine that...

Your argurements arent warrented
Have a Good day
Cya Soon
And no, not with a Dragon

Mamba...

[cRaZy8or5e]

There was no Over Simplifacation

Fact is you can save vs the fear aura with little effort
and again its a game of dice

A 50 DC fear aura is not an easy save, unless you're a wisdom based toon, a build that gets a charisma boost to saves, or a CoT. And even then, you're still vulnerable.

This is quite possibly the silliest thing said yet. IF spellcraft was included in the willsave then yes it would be easy to save against, BUT its not. So you're dependent on a whole slew of buffs, and even then, when a Dragon gets that lucky +20 roll to their DC, you're still vulnerable. It's not that the DC shouldn't be that way. None of us have any problems with it.

What we do have problems with is when you post gross oversimplifications and silly statements like yours and Ashsagoons. Its like you just want to contribute to the discussion so you jump in without actually thinking about what you're saying.

Lets actually analyze some of your statments. A self buffed CoT vs a self buffed dragon? I've got a decent CoT that can self buff to 72 AC and pot buff to 76, and 69 AB. I'm pretty confident that as far as CoT's go, he's a solid contender. No +4 books, but that's ok, that's a matter of time. But I'd take a well built RDD over my CoT any day of the week and twice on Tuesday. CoT has a minor AB advantage, but not enough of one for it to make a difference. Trust me I know, I've already played out this fight and lost resoundingly. The damage output is not even close, even though I'm dual wielding kukris and getting a ton of crits, RDD wins hands down. For DR RDD also wins hands down, AND an RDD gets twice as many HP. While one can get more attacks per round with a CoT, that's nullified by the superior HP and DR.

The only time I'd see a CoT having a shot, is if the RDD was evil and the CoT got his full bonus damage from divine wrath.

Barring that though, sry, RDD ftw.

[frogofpeace]

Sorry to get off topic (again), but the door is open now and I can't stand it - as I said earlier, my CoT Uda got the divinity beat out of her by both Fafnir and Typhon, as well as KD'd and disarmed by Typhon - disarmed TWICE in TWO HITS! With 85 disc! - in at most 2 rounds both times. She's been killed by dragons many more times that that, but those were times when I'm reasonably sure it was self-buffed versus self-buffed. Typhon may have had other buffs, but I don't think the rest of the pwnd had arrived at that point. She didn't get feared - that would have been too much to bear CoT's awesome, I make em every chance I get, i think I can even do a good one without 4 books now. And you've fought Uda, mamba, but I think we have a new champion.

Assassins seem pretty weak compared to the other PRCs; I've never made one and don't know them well, though.

[Cluster]

There was no Over Simplifacation

Fact is you can save vs the fear aura with little effort
and again its a game of dice

A 50 DC fear aura is not an easy save, unless you're a wisdom based toon, a build that gets a charisma boost to saves, or a CoT. And even then, you're still vulnerable.

How is it not easy to make that save? It's not a 50 dc, its a 30 + d20. Even without a wisdom based toon, that DC is not hard to save. With a wisdom based toon, you should not fail period.

Crazy, you of all people here should realize just how easy it is to beat that fear aura at least 80% of the time. You can get +14 vs fear from 2 items with only 10 towards the cap, 6 more from buffs with another 4 on the cap. Throw in a cleric, who should never fail that save, and you got more will saves, totalling well over +20(i think its 23 or 24). 6-8 more from feats gives you 30ish WITHOUT including what you get from leveling, which is a minimum of 10, and should be somewhere around 14-16 for now will based classes. so there's a 45 vs Fear from a non-wisdom based class.

So explain to me how a 30 + d20 is so hard to pass. The problem is people don't factor saves into their builds. They run around on SDs and Assasins with < 30 will save, and cry that its overpowered. Of course they are not going to beat a dragon with a superior initiative having Assasin wth 60 hide/ms. Your 1 trick pony just became a snack.

Its not different than going up against an imploder with a 25 fort save. It's simple logic, gear up properly for the fight your up against. I'm always changing my gear depending on what im fighting. If i need better saves, i put my save gear on, if i need skills, i put that gear on, if i need ac... and so on.

[BlkMamba]

My original post was to say this:

Every Faction has something another faction can complain about
But there are way's around them all
This is the way NS4 is kept interesting

That simple enough?

Mamba..

ps, if you cant understand that, tuff, i'm done with this thread

[Amoenotep]

i'm pretty sure everything that needed to be said was said and all the figures that needed to be seen were seen.