Auto Respawn and Boot

[DM_Kim]

Lets face it.. the only area I've seen that there is some kind of complaint about the forced respawn is DwP.

Unfortunately we didn't put it in to annoy players in DwP. It went in because of the other 300 or so zones. I personally have booted many a player for "laying" there dead after a stretch of time with no activity, in many a lessor zone than DwP. Usually that was because the player was AFK for whatever reason.

Don't forget, laying there "dead" stops the zone from respawning. Laying there for an unreasonable length of time can be viewed as an exploit or a form of harassment, in that it stops the respawn from occurring, other players who wish to "play" that zone can't not because the "dead" are preventing it.

An auto respawn script that's on a timer has gone in thereby removing the harassment and exploiting part of death.

You'll just have to make sure that when your venturing into DwP where there are some really tough mobs, you have enough members in your party to deal with the tougher one, carrying enough rez scolls and a ton of heal pots.

[Bargeld]

In the case of a DWP rescue, since the goal is not to keep the zone from respawning, but to simply be raised, can't you just quit without respawning and come back? Sure this will lose any progess within that zone, but if your buddies are still there, then it won't matter, and if you happened to get killed while trying to run and meet your party, then you are in a fresh zone anyway and relogging won't matter.

Based on that, the autorespawner should not have any impact at all on rescues. On the other hand, you have not closed the door on the 1st level corspe keeping a zone alive, it has only upped the requirements to needing 2 level 1's and swapping between them to reset their counters.

This is all on the assumption that quitting will reset the timer, which it should.

[Amoenotep]

Yes, the counter continues while you are logged in or not. Otherwise players could log out and in and have it restart.

I increased the time until respawn to 45 minutes, to give you guys a bit more leeway.

so i can see by the dev's response in the begining......your time is your time...whether you on the mod or logged out

[mgrjebbo]

Well honestly if a party member goes down raise them. You dont need more than 5 seconds to do that. If all but 1 of your party memebers survies then let him camp hidden while your party respawns and comes back. Personaly i always found it intresting that people are afraid to respawn like its going to delete your character or something. Even at lvl 40 you can still recover from a spawn peneltly in 45 mins or so in DWP or faster in other zones.

I dont see what the big problem is.

Intresting idea about the cradle room spawn. Maybe that could be done. If your carrying a relic or in a relic room and you die you respawn in 60 seconds. That way if someone is there to raise you they can but if not you have no chance to lay on a relic like i have seen done as of recent.

Staying dead because you want to block another from picking up a relic is weak. They won it, its theirs give it to them.

Side note: this wasnt done to me, but by someone in my party and I just thought it messed up.

[Tsavong]

Well I still don't like this new feature and I'm not convinced all the bugs are out of it yet a friend was killed by a mob and raised when it came for him to DE he as resporned and kicked when the DE killed him

I know this server is a pvp server but before you can pvp you realy have to be in the high 30s as if your lower than that and try to pvp even if its people your lvl someone will come along with a 40 and smash you into last week. In my opinion the pvm part of the server is used as much if not more than the pvp and for me this auto resporn and kick scrip takes some of the fun away if your solo lvling and are high lvl it can take ages to make back xp you loose from a resporn and some times ide be more happy to leave a guy dead and log out. As I would rather leave a toon dead than feal I have wasted say the last half an hour of my life. I don't understand why the way I play is now some how harassment and banned because of a script. I have no problem with a auto kick script for people lieing dead on a screen for a extended time but forcing them to resporn just is over the top.

The only time where resporning them to move them is during a relic rade when people stay dead or put a dead lvl 1 in the cradle room to hold it but 45 mins is far to long to have any effect I would think.

And to finish off my well rant why is a big change such as this not in the change log?

[Amoenotep]

because logging out of a zone has the potential to break the zone. do you want to break zones, making it impossible for ppl to play them because your selfish and don't think you need to take a respawn penalty?

the time it takes you to lie dead to wait for a rez, you could have gotten more than your penalty in xp back. if you argue different then your not paying attention to the numbers or what your doing in the first place.

if you think that lying there dead in a zone for extended amounts of time isn't doing anything to hurt anyone.....do you know how many resources the pc uses to keep all those spawns running, the AI running for all of them. if you would have just respawned it would be solved.

and what about players that decide to just up and leave...leaving their char there for hours on end while they go to work or something?

this script is doing what dm's did before.....watching you lay there dead then taking care of you. in the past though, and still now, if I catch you milling about for hours on end...i'll de lvl you then boot you. so, which would you rather have, a small xp hit or the loss of a few lvls?

[Apokriphos]

I don't quite follow your post, but you're right about the change log. Originally this was planned to be an unannounced pain for afkers, but no reason for that anymore.

There shouldn't be any further glitches in the autorespawn script; PM me if you find one and I'll reward ya

[Tsavong]

I don't quite follow your post, but you're right about the change log. Originally this was planned to be an unannounced pain for afkers, but no reason for that anymore.

Ah I'm sorry for the lack comprehensibility or any misunderstanding that might have come out of it.
I'm dyslectic and my spelling and grammar are not up to what they should be I do run most of what I put on these boards though a word-processor but that only dose so much.

because logging out of a zone has the potential to break the zone. do you want to break zones, making it impossible for people to play them because your selfish and don't think you need to take a respawn penalty?

Oh I did not know that I never had any wish to brake a zone I just assumed logging out would re-set it like leaving a zone.

Did my last post come across in a way that I deserved to be called selfish?

if you think that lying there dead in a zone for extended amounts of time isn't doing anything to hurt anyone.....do you know how many resources the pc uses to keep all those spawns running, the AI running for all of them. if you would have just respawned it would be solved.

humm

I have no problem with a auto kick script for people lieing dead on a screen for a extended time but forcing them to resporn just is over the top.

Though as you said login on a screen can brake it (I'm assuming just when your dead?) I guess the resporn and kick for lying dead is justified

[Amoenotep]

if it helps...i understand loads of what ppl type, even if they have problems spelling them out. a talent of mine sometimes

didn't mean to call you selfish, meant if you act like that (logging out and breaking zones because you don't want to take the penalty) it would be selfish of you. hope that clears it up a bit.

and remember, this script is just taking a small place of what dm's already do. boot/kick/ban players that just want to sit idle for long periods of time without logging.

[Aarkon Draco]

personally i love the new force-respawn too many people are so afraid of that button its crazy. i can understand not wanting to loose xp on your 3ECL ubercheesmodood but still its hardly alot of xp even at lvl 39 or 40 and if you de level your still right there at the xp needed to get it back. while messing around on a NWN2 server this guy died and procedded to spam shouts about a res for 45 minutes now during this time of his whining about a res he could of taken the respawn hit and gotten his xp back + ALOT more in said time. honestly you all should be kissing the devs feet for not making respawn alot more costly like say a level minimum or more perhaps you loose all your gear and pack contense on respawn ive been on servers like that so be thankful and hit the respawn button rather than waste time complaining.

[Azeel3]

I agree with Jack, today i saw a party memeber killed while carrying the relic and five seconds later he was booted. also in the middle of battle today i was auto spawned as i was healing well within a half a minute and had just raise up with 8 points of life. maybe you shoudn't be able to lay in a relic room forever but in party and carrying a relic with party memebers two screens away come on plz, guy fix it !

[Apokriphos]

Increased the relic autorespawn a bit. Now it won't have a chance to respawn you instantly.

[mgrjebbo]

I like the instant respawn with relic battle. Thats just me however, just about everyone else seems more happy to complain about a fix that was a long time coming and very needed.

[P. Fricebottle]

Personally, I think this feature is overdue. Having opposing players block the spawn of the Relic Rooms for hours on end got tiring and annoying.

[frogofpeace]

I agree with Fricebottle - all I can say is, those guys who log in the relic room are better team players than I'll ever be, I can't imagine anything more boring, they need to be saved from themselves. Also, it prevents my own propensity for laying there dead forever waiting for a res, when I could ahve been killing something.