Drow/Duergar change

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Post by Umpa »

I could understand if you removed light from the room since removal is not something that would touch a character with full resistance to the spell, but I'm not sure if I agree with adding, since thats like saying since I shot you with an illusion of light and you resisted it still hits you. Even though its resisted, and hence isn't there, for that person. I could even understand if you teleported a real physical object into the room(chair), since it has real substance and its non magical and can not be resisted.

So if your sunbeam was actually redirecting the real non magical light from the sun then it would hit, but your fire spell which isn't a redirection, its a magical creation should have 0 effect on a creature with magic resistance.

So real light such as the SUN creates would work, but magical light such as a fireball creates, would not if resistance isn't overcome.

It doesn't matter how the real thing gets there, its still there, but that shouldn't apply to magically created light versus magic resistance.

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Post by P. Fricebottle »

Nice point Umpa, because Magical Light and Natural Light are two different things. Drow are accustomed to war, blades, and magic. They are not accustomed to light though. Light created by the arcane and light created by the sun are two different things.
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Post by JesterOI »

Um... Light is light... Where's the misundertanding?
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Post by Joran »

I think the point of contention is, what exactly does it mean to resist a spell? Does it mean you just feel no effects of it, or does it mean that anything the spell creates is invisible to you?

If the bright flash of light is part of the spell, and you resist the spell, why should the bright flash of light affect you any more than the other parts of the spell? What's so special about the visual elements that makes them non-resistable, whereas the damage elements are?

That said....If you resist a grease spell, for example, for all intents and purposes the magical grease doesn't exist for you. However, you would still SEE it sitting there on the ground, wouldn't you? So maybe the visual elements aren't resistable.

However, if you resist a spell like Darkness - obviously you don't still see the Darkness or else you'd be affected by it. So maybe resisting a spell does mean no visible components are seen by you...

It's a philosophical debate about the nature of spell resistance that nobody can really answer, it's up to the DMs of a PnP game or the Devs of a mod to decide what it means. In our case, we want it to mean what would be best for all players, create the most fun and enjoyment, while still taking balance into account.

Discussing the different sides of the issue is always good :-)

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