DM events and the Relic system

[Kirg]

I think the main issue here is CONSISTENCY.

There should be ONE WAY that ALL DMs have agreed upon to handle it and everyone do it, you know good parenting requires that the children have a consistent structure to their life boundries...

Err yes when they are 5 years old. But I presume that most players should be a bit more mature than that (altho sometimes I doubt it). I support Zing, even if he has copied the Soccer Game from Solates and is attributing it to himself (put a memorial stone to Solates somewhere in the soccer field); j/k Zing .


Edit: are you counting your own post under mine as irrelevant, Fatzo, if not, you have to put a three there .

[kingfatzo]

ty, i am enjoying the continued INTELLIGENT feedback ...
only 2 irrelivant spam posts have been made so far ! way to go

[Saya Nightshade]

My thoughts, allow relic raiding at all times. You make the choice to play in the event thus give up your ability to defend. Because you choose to play in a DM event should not limit others from raiding for your choice.

Reseting the relics i think is not needed, let those who are able to raid, raid. After the event is done it is much easier and faster to retreive the stolen relics from one location than running to all factions and your faction should be able to take them back if you feel your faction would have been able to defend and keep them if no DM event had happened at all.

[$chase$]

if im doing mini events then i dont mind..if im doing a event with half the server and players DONT do the event so they can raid..i simple state if you raid during my event ..ill resset relics.. and as a DM thats my option. having a event ruined by players loggin out to defend there relic is a waste of a dms time to throw the event. so have your thoughts as you may. WHEN i throw a event and i feel that there should be no raiding ill let ya know.

[Mentarch]

If anyone logged out of a Soccer match I was hosting to defend a relic I would exclude that player from the rest of that match AND reset the relics immediately - they'd proabbly have trouble getting into the next match or 500 I held also.

They are just relics. It is just an xp bonus. You had fun grabbing them the first time, guess what you can have fun getting them again later.

Personally, I wouldn't call a 'freeze' on relic raiding for any reason, NS4 is a land of oppurtunity at times after all.

What next? Freeze all of the relics while you sleep, just in case someone steals them while you're away?

Running out in the middle of an event ruins that event for everyone.

I'm sure there are a few people who will read this and say - Humpffff, I'm not playing events any more - oh well your loss - you know the problem would be better solved if EVERYONE got involved in the event.

You can always, always go powerlevel your munchkins later.

I fully agree with this.

That is why whenever I run an event, or when I play co-conspirator with (say) Metis and/or Sparky and/or Amoenotep and/or any other DM, there is simply no mentions about relics.

If some players make opportunity of an event to raid for relics - their choice. Likewise for those opting out of an event (or getting out of one) to defend their relics.

Events happen, as in a "real" world. It is always the choice of players to participate in the events or not, regardless of the reasons they give themselves to participate or not.

And lastly, I also agree with Chase. Let it be a DM's personnal perogative. Just like events themselves.

[Sparky]

As you can see, we don't all react the same to events and relic raiding. That's why we have have different responses to similar situations.

In regards to last night, Relic Raiding was basically locked down for 3+ solid hours as 30+ people participated in the event. (Thanks for the enthusiastic participation guys!). I didn't feel a simple low attendance soccer game warranted locking down the relics for another hour. A simple decision really.

I peronsally like to encourage people to participate in events, and sometimes that means taking away a player's concerns about relics. Remember, DM's need to have fun sometimes too, and it generally comes from events. If no one participates, we get a little crazy.

Most of the times a DM will reset the relic system after a large event, I forgot last night since the event left us DM's in such a euphoric mood. I'll be sure to be quicker on the trigger next time.

[Mentarch]

As you can see, we don't all react the same to events and relic raiding. That's why we have have different responses to similar situations.

In regards to last night, Relic Raiding was basically locked down for 3+ solid hours as 30+ people participated in the event. (Thanks for the enthusiastic participation guys!). I didn't feel a simple low attendance soccer game warranted locking down the relics for another hour. A simple decision really.

I peronsally like to encourage people to participate in events, and sometimes that means taking away a player's concerns about relics. Remember, DM's need to have fun sometimes too, and it generally comes from events. If no one participates, we get a little crazy.
Most of the times a DM will reset the relic system a large event, I forgot last night since the event left us DM's in such a euphoric mood. I'll be sure to be quicker on the trigger next time.

Deviating a bit from the subject, but ... yeah - last night's participation was incredible! Almost scary ...

But darn, did Sparky, Metis and I ever had fun last night!

[CrazyJ]

I wish these things would start earlier in the night, I had to log shortly after joining due to work the next am.

[Poet]

I think the main issue here is CONSISTENCY.

There should be ONE WAY that ALL DMs have agreed upon to handle it and everyone do it, you know good parenting requires that the children have a consistent structure to their life boundries...

Obviously the DMs all have different attitudes to different situations and from what Ive read on this forum...all have been appropriate for the specific event happening and for once ..ok maybe twice.... I totally agree with Auril on his points.

Yes the event last night was extremely fun..thank you for all who took the time to create it for us and Auril..I like it even when you play soccer with us!

[Zing]

I support Zing, even if he has copied the Soccer Game from Solates and is attributing it to himself (put a memorial stone to Solates somewhere in the soccer field)

Credit where it is due - Soccer was indeed introduced by Sol back in the day when I used to play NS3.0 on South - I don't ever remember attributing its invention to myself though!

I did make the new wands which now make the game smoother to run and play though - you can give me some love for that if you must :p

lolololololololol

[Lorkar1]

I support Zing, even if he has copied the Soccer Game from Solates and is attributing it to himself (put a memorial stone to Solates somewhere in the soccer field)

Credit where it is due - Soccer was indeed introduced by Sol back in the day when I used to play NS3.0 on South - I don't ever remember attributing its invention to myself though!

I did make the new wands which now make the game smoother to run and play though - you can give me some love for that if you must :p

lolololololololol

I give you credit for not only for that, but credit for an environment that draws us all back, even when we all stray due to frustration with certain elements and situations. I have been far and wide lately on other servers (both RP and Hack and Slash). But no one has been able to give me the enjoyment that NS 4 has given me. And one of the main reasons for exploring other servers was the inability to connect to NS 4 (for whatever reason...full server or different IP). For all of that I tip my hat to all Dev's and DM's(even Chase with all the crap I give him on the boards) that continue to draw me back like a bad habit (not that this one, unless you ask my ex-wife).

[Binkyuk]

I wish these things would start earlier in the night, I had to log shortly after joining due to work the next am.

*grumble grumble* damned european time zone *mumble mutter*

[MasterYoda]

I personally try to participate in almost every event I have ever been on to do and I know I myself have gotten frustrated when I was told one thing from one person and then told a completely different thing from another person.

I believe this is different from relic raiding but can be taken the same way.

I'm player a runs to get relics and dm a says its ok while player b is in a dm event, player b might get incredibly frustrated if next time a event is on and player b wants to raid but new dm b says no.

from a players stand point it could seem as if its favortism.

this IS NOT a complaint. just a opinion.

[Celorn]

I think the main issue here is CONSISTENCY.

There should be ONE WAY that ALL DMs have agreed upon to handle it and everyone do it, you know good parenting requires that the children have a consistent structure to their life boundries...

Obviously the DMs all have different attitudes to different situations and from what Ive read on this forum...all have been appropriate for the specific event happening and for once ..ok maybe twice.... I totally agree with Auril on his points.

Well, you can have your (sukup) opinion, and I suppose I can't argue with GODs, but in an OOC way, keeping a consitent proceedure would be less frustrating for some people... but not then again, the server is too full anyhow, the more that can be done to tick people off so they leave, the better... that way -I- can actually LOG ON to play when I have a moment to do so instead of seeing 48/46 because some DM event is consuming the server that I missed yet again... ;]

[Metis]

Your not seeing the point, events can range from something for a single person, a certain faction (guild), low level, huge including most of the server and where events are taking place in avendell far off planes, a certain city etc

Events arent consistant and since each is unique they are handled on case by case, I have called a halt to relic raids even during a soccer game when I announced a game most of the people, who had all the relics, offered to join and within 1 minute of them relogging to join my event they get raided that specific type of thing I will put a stop to. Events are done to make things more enjoyable give people a change of pace for a while and its fun for us also but if I feel anyone is using the fact I am having something to specifically target a raid (ie the only reason they decided to raid was since the cities usual defenders came to my event) or if its something I spent a lot of time preparing and I dont want it to fall apart when half the participants are relogging isnt fun for me.

Before anyone says they should deal with it I will also point out the halt of relic stuff has been done very rarely from me maybe twice and from others very rarely aswell so in those rare occassions just respect our request.