Divine Might

[alasteir]

Korr,

For crying out loud. I think you have forgotten what point you were trying make. Not one person who has responded to your post has "whined" about the weaknesses of the NC faction (or their PRC...the COT). You, as the original poster, have done all of the complaining about the "overpowered" nature of the COT.
The individuals who have answered your post are just trying to explain to you why the devs made the COT a formidable melee class......game balance. That concept has obviously eluded you, as you have now come full circle, and are now accusing the NC members of "whining". You were the original poster Korr....get over it.

Lokey,
I really hope you are being facetious with your comment / question about level caps for this server. One disgruntled player, and his immature posts, should not dictate the future of NS4. I would be disappointed if I was the only player who felt this way.

alasteir

[Lokey]

No, I meant 40 levels with interesting content and some sense of everyone has something meaningful to contribute at all levels is way too much to ask of a semi-DnD based system. Level 20 with a bit of toning down of casters (easy) and knocking out dual-wielding 12 attack per round kama swingers would have been fine and could then have some weird not-the-answer-to-every-situation abilities thrown on top (heh, which is what we built originally). Also there was some balance in that the level 20 capstone abilities meant something then.

Even with the ns4 peak of maybe 6 concurrent devs plus some help on specific things, the sheer number of different things that can be done over 40 levels plus the change in bab/saving throw scaling in epic would still be too cumbersome for us to have worked with. I.e. things start to go wrong when the faction guards are speed bumps

I'll put CoT/monk variants on my watch list

[frogofpeace]

Ah, I understand. Fair enough.

[Korr]

Divine Might page 1 :
I ask because it strikes me as strange that a class gets a bonus to an ability they dont have access too. I suggest that the other melee class that has access to the appropriate feats (which in fact if youre BG(and not a monk)) you automatically have the feat requirements for divine might/shield.
People mentioned the blackguard summon as the reasoning for no double might.
Players agree/disagree with each other.
I am attacked by a post, then more disagree/agree.
Linux posts about blackguard and CoT. Says CoT doesnt get double damage from divine might (I talked to players in NC, cleric/CoT does get double damage from divine might. Linux says this isnt so though)
I say thats to linux for his posts.
Players wonder about a few things on CoT (taking divine feats)

Divine Might page 2 :
Talk of the sneak attack ability of Blackguard. Back and forth about the effectiveness of sneak attacks
Talk of how NC doesnt have mages (why i mention "whining")
Talk of bard/bg being so good . . . Bard/CoT is possible too dont forget.
Comparitive of CoT vs Mages. Lack of mage in NC is mentioned . . . again
More comparitive of divine damage and sneak attack
I say once again, I was just curious as to why CoT gets an enhancement to an ability they dont have access to normally, also mentioned BG dedications.

Divine Might page 3:
Talk about the stats comparison, str/dex/con/cha on characters.
More mention that cleric/cot gets double divine might.
Players agree that its strange CoT gets thats enhancement.
Players disagree that its strange CoT gets that enhancement . . "nothing compared to goodies other factions get"
Players agree its over powered... ~35 divine damage is overboard.
A N O T H E R mention that NC doesnt get mages, that we should nerf bigs and igms
I broke down abilities CoT gets, and its powerfull nature
I got attacked again . . .
Eve Silk brings up that shes been raiding SL successfully and not . . . which I was not a part of except for one of the time.
Mention of hey lets nerf everything powerfull in the same post.
Talk of the power of mages...
again mention that NC doesnt get mages.

Divine Might page 4 :
I am attacked again by someone who just ran into the thread . . .
Talk of how the relics determine the power (IMO its numbers . . . as has been seen multiple times elsewhere)
back and forth about level cap stuff
mention again about how weak NC is . . .
Eve Silk brought up again, and directs comments at me and tries to say I EVER said anything about her . . . not true

Divine Might page 5 :
I am attacked A G A I N.
Lokey says hes on the watch.



So this is what I have to say to you all... PIKE OFF!!!
I asked a question about something that struck me as strange, when I got an answer I said "Ok, I was just curious" I had made mention that if its a divine thing for melee toons BLACKGUARDS are divine melee toons(in my first post).

I was attacked multiple times in the thread, and there were multiple whines about "weak NC". Ive pointed them out and other things.

[VagaStorm]

Divine Might page 1 :
I ask because it strikes me as strange that a class gets a bonus to an ability they dont have access too. I suggest that the other melee class that has access to the appropriate feats (which in fact if youre BG(and not a monk)) you automatically have the feat requirements for divine might/shield.
People mentioned the blackguard summon as the reasoning for no double might.
Players agree/disagree with each other.
I am attacked by a post, then more disagree/agree.
Linux posts about blackguard and CoT. Says CoT doesnt get double damage from divine might (I talked to players in NC, cleric/CoT does get double damage from divine might. Linux says this isnt so though)
I say thats to linux for his posts.
Players wonder about a few things on CoT (taking divine feats)

Divine Might page 2 :
Talk of the sneak attack ability of Blackguard. Back and forth about the effectiveness of sneak attacks
Talk of how NC doesnt have mages (why i mention "whining")
Talk of bard/bg being so good . . . Bard/CoT is possible too dont forget.
Comparitive of CoT vs Mages. Lack of mage in NC is mentioned . . . again
More comparitive of divine damage and sneak attack
I say once again, I was just curious as to why CoT gets an enhancement to an ability they dont have access to normally, also mentioned BG dedications.

Divine Might page 3:
Talk about the stats comparison, str/dex/con/cha on characters.
More mention that cleric/cot gets double divine might.
Players agree that its strange CoT gets thats enhancement.
Players disagree that its strange CoT gets that enhancement . . "nothing compared to goodies other factions get"
Players agree its over powered... ~35 divine damage is overboard.
A N O T H E R mention that NC doesnt get mages, that we should nerf bigs and igms
I broke down abilities CoT gets, and its powerfull nature
I got attacked again . . .
Eve Silk brings up that shes been raiding SL successfully and not . . . which I was not a part of except for one of the time.
Mention of hey lets nerf everything powerfull in the same post.
Talk of the power of mages...
again mention that NC doesnt get mages.

Divine Might page 4 :
I am attacked again by someone who just ran into the thread . . .
Talk of how the relics determine the power (IMO its numbers . . . as has been seen multiple times elsewhere)
back and forth about level cap stuff
mention again about how weak NC is . . .
Eve Silk brought up again, and directs comments at me and tries to say I EVER said anything about her . . . not true

Divine Might page 5 :
I am attacked A G A I N.
Lokey says hes on the watch.



So this is what I have to say to you all... PIKE OFF!!!
I asked a question about something that struck me as strange, when I got an answer I said "Ok, I was just curious" I had made mention that if its a divine thing for melee toons BLACKGUARDS are divine melee toons(in my first post).

I was attacked multiple times in the thread, and there were multiple whines about "weak NC". Ive pointed them out and other things.

Nice summary. I yhink the only conclution that can be drawn is that my RDD should due to his draconic ansestory also get double divine damage

[Korr]

Better solution . . . can i get a forum administrator to close this thread please.

[Fezz]

Im with the guy that said he left because of stuff like this.

The number of times in the 5 years ive been playing on here that ok stuff got changed because of cry babies is now beyond counting. And yes Korr i rank you among the cry babies. People like you want pvp winning handed to you on a platter. You dont want diversity, you dont want to play in other factions/guilds. You just want to make 1 toon and expect that it should win all the time. You deliberatly strait jacket yourself into the SL then attack other builds from factions you dont play and cant make.

When you find your toon gets killed by someone else, you dont say oh well thats just one toon my build will struggle against - bit like toons without uber spot or listen saying im dead to hipsers - every time big deal,all builds are supposed to have a weakness.

Eve has/had already pointed out that someone figured out her weakness and took her down fast, so much for the uber overpowered divine damage hey. I did the same thing with my uber overpowered risenlord shifter to which weeks later the reply was oh yeah i forgot about maxed seering lights - fact is toons can and do go down to certain things no matter what you think. Show me the toon that is unbeatable and never lost a pvp battle against anyone ?? thats right you cant, because it dont exist.

And so we are left with more and more nerfs because it would seem that certain people were NEVER taught by mommy and daddy how to lose, that losing is ok as long as YOU gave your best and played with dignity, no one can ever win everything all of the time. If you do your best then you can ALWAYS walk away from something even if you fail with no regrets and say to yourself in the years to come when you look back, its ok i could have done no more i did my best the other person/team whatever was just better on the day.

losing in anything is OK, nottrying your best is NEVER ok. Sadly you can be sure that once again the cry babies will win again and COT will get hit with the nerf bat - to show us all once again how to get what you want. The same way you did when you were 5 at the supermarket when mommy wouldnt give you candy - chcuk a tantrum, cry, yell, bang your head on the floor and mommy will give in.

[Amoenotep]

i think we've exhausted this one.