dragon fear aura

[frogofpeace]

You can't just start a thread complaining, 'My sd can't beat rdd's therefore they are overpowered.'

We sure can!

[cRaZy8or5e]

*Following the choke point side track*

TC Wolfs Den..
......so open it might as well be outside.. no wait outside would allow faction item to be used within, and rangers to make use of thier special skills (IE Ranger move/speed, outdoor hips)

*tilts the bottle......not a drop * looks like Im out of whine... see ya when I get back from the cellar.

It was made the way it is to accomodate Druid dragons , according to the changelog anyway.

This game is like rock, scissors, paper sort of. Dragon = Rock. SD = Scissors. Dragon doesn't take sneak damage and SD's have low will saves. It's going to be a waste of time to keep fighting dragons with sneakers.

So basically if you know you are fighting a dragon you have to bring something else. Preferably something with a better will save. Like a cleric or a caster. You can't just start a thread complaining, 'My sd can't beat rdd's therefore they are overpowered.' This whole thread basically admits that you can't build any chars with decent will saves (Guess I should say you just haven't done so yet).

- Glow -

Glow this thread started as a high willsave character failing the willsave, check the first page. The thread was started by Bishop discussing his blackguard failing the will save. No mean feat. I gave an example where my 50 Will save cleric actually failed the save (after being cursed by one of the ever present pure bards and rolling a one). Me and Rogue2x shared a laugh over that at the time. But as with all threads, it has become sidetracked. Thanks for your "valuable" contribution to the discussion though . I assume you were trying to get it back on track.

That must have been what you were attempting to do with your rude and condescending tone.

I think the most obnoxious parking job is moving lowbies to hold a cradle with epics in it. That makes me laugh when I see that. As far as Bargeld's post about people leaving RDD dragons afk, well that's just silly. Everyone knows that you click attack with the dragon and then run around with your caster/bard/more complicated toon and generally create havoc, enabling the dragon to kill more easily.

[Nyeleni]

I don't quite see what this about how unfair it is that SL dose not have choke points and AO dose has to do fear aura.

Even if a cradle screen is a big featureless square there is still a transition and a cradle, all a dragon (or anyone with a fear aura) has to do is sit on ether of them and you have to run though the aura hoping your will is up to it.

By the way choke points can work against the defender as well as for them the number of times I've run into the MA temple and run head long into a dragons crotch. And I'm sure the npcs have a lot to do with making it easer to defend and they can cluster around the transition choke point or not.

SL doesnt have choke points? You kidding right? Those bridges make very beautiful choke points...

[cRaZy8or5e]

I don't quite see what this about how unfair it is that SL dose not have choke points and AO dose has to do fear aura.

Even if a cradle screen is a big featureless square there is still a transition and a cradle, all a dragon (or anyone with a fear aura) has to do is sit on ether of them and you have to run though the aura hoping your will is up to it.

By the way choke points can work against the defender as well as for them the number of times I've run into the MA temple and run head long into a dragons crotch. And I'm sure the npcs have a lot to do with making it easer to defend and they can cluster around the transition choke point or not.

SL doesnt have choke points? You kidding right? Those bridges make very beautiful choke points...

It doesn't have choke points inside the cradle.

[Tsavong]

Yes they probably can. The point of that post though was that a dragon dose not need choke points to force people into its fear aura. So how are they relevant to dragon fear?

[cRaZy8or5e]

Choke points help?

[Amoenotep]

i understand choke points vs aura defense/offense tactics are viable to this thread. what does listing exact choke points for every faction have to do with it?

[Korr]

Ok LOTS of stuff here, this might be long ';)

Nyeleni is right the 2 bridges coming outside SL are the perfect choke points, inside the relic cradle makes no difference whatsoever.

A PDK can get a fear aura of 10 + 20 (1/2 character level) + cha mod. 20 isnt unheard of for a cha mod, and thats permanent DC.

I dont think the NC choke points should be cut off at all. . . yeah its a HUGE pain to raiding dragons from AO. But if I recall correctly NCs #1 enemy is AO, so why wouldnt they have choke points to cut off the dragons?!?!?!?

The dragon fear aura seems like the "lame mans" stunning fist. Apparently noone can beat the DCs, but a VERY low level crafted rod can instantly remove the effects. Yes that means that you need either a cleric/bard/rogue(with umd)/sorc/wiz/sin/20 levels of monk/kender/paladin wow im gonna stop there and not even look up the things I know are out there. That was all off the top of my head(I havent played in over a month). . . almost 10 ways to beat ANY fear aura.

[DM_Kim]

To repeat what has been said:

i understand choke points vs aura defense/offense tactics are viable to this thread. what does listing exact choke points for every faction have to do with it?

Just in case you missed it.....

[Korr]

Well Kim my point was that, a choke point inside or outside a cradle makes no difference. . . every faction has them, I wasnt listing them. Also that NC considers AO its #1 enemy so why should they NOT be set up to combat dragons (if that means 3 choke points to get to cradle inside the cradle room) in case you didnt actually read my post and saw the word choke a few times.

Appx half of my post was dedicated to fear auras, and how it can be overcome.

So like tep said i understand choke points vs aura defense/offense tactics are viable to this thread Thats what I was talking about

[Tal]

Actually the choke point issue is upon a transition, regardless of what relic cradle it is. MA was changed for that vary reason... it was a death trap to invaders. AO has a very similar point (and yes I know I am pointing out one transition in particular). It has been an issue even before the dragon fear came into play. When a toon enters it is very easily pushed back behind the transition and then beat on by either pc's (which of course is no big deal in the scheme of things) or by the npc's which happens very often resulting in xp loss. Once pushed into that area there is no escape unless you kill EVERYTHING in order to get out. Now stick a fat dragon (yes I too called you fat) with an uber fear aura and now you are immobilized by fear, can't run away because there is a fat dragon sitting there, and you are getting beat on by npc's and typically epic defenders. It's an obvious fact which appears to be ignored by the staff, and has been for some time. Back in the day if someone so much as whimpered about MA the nerf wand came crashing down with a vengeance within minutes.

PvP and relic raiding is typically fun, but running into a death trap repeatedly is not.

[weasel423]

Actually the choke point issue is upon a transition, regardless of what relic cradle it is. MA was changed for that vary reason... it was a death trap to invaders. AO has a very similar point (and yes I know I am pointing out one transition in particular). It has been an issue even before the dragon fear came into play. When a toon enters it is very easily pushed back behind the transition and then beat on by either pc's (which of course is no big deal in the scheme of things) or by the npc's which happens very often resulting in xp loss. Once pushed into that area there is no escape unless you kill EVERYTHING in order to get out. Now stick a fat dragon (yes I too called you fat) with an uber fear aura and now you are immobilized by fear, can't run away because there is a fat dragon sitting there, and you are getting beat on by npc's and typically epic defenders. It's an obvious fact which appears to be ignored by the staff, and has been for some time. Back in the day if someone so much as whimpered about MA the nerf wand came crashing down with a vengeance within minutes.

PvP and relic raiding is typically fun, but running into a death trap repeatedly is not.

Exactly. You can attack the choke points on our bridge from any point before the bridges. Whereas the choke points at the beginning of AO and NC are RIGHT AFTER A TRANSITION. You cannot attack those choke points from outside the relic chamber! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!

[Cahaal]

You can attack the choke points on our bridge from any point before the bridges.

That is true on the way IN to the cradle, but I have been ambushed more than once on the bridges on my OUT of your cradle where it sets up the same situation as the other factions you discussed. It's more about different tactics than who has the best/worse choke points.

[Tal]

The bridges are easy to bust out of.. it has been done time and time again. It is a last resort defensive point by SL to prevent relics from running away. Almost every time if it has gotten to that point then SL is lucky to stop one or two relics from escaping, but most make it by. It is far from a transition choke point where you automatically transition into a corner and cannot escape.

[weasel423]

To repeat what has been said:

i understand choke points vs aura defense/offense tactics are viable to this thread. what does listing exact choke points for every faction have to do with it?

Just in case you missed it.....

Maybe a new thread to discuss this issue?