Pure Druid
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Pure Druid
I not complaining nor complimenting it seems the new changes to pure druids is not right. I do understand Lokey went thru many a hours to revamp them but now it seems pure druids are a mere portrait of a painting of days gone by. I have played many toons here and atm i have 3 druids pure, 1 shifter, and it seems the best shape is not one i have. It seems a druid/sd is the best i can get epic dodge. So my 3 druids of pure well really suck, i just use them as crafters to be honest except one she is gith and too expensive. I got 1 to dragon shape and it was worst then the air elemental shape and not immune to crits. I am a pure druid here (well 3 ) trying to figure out the best thing for it, but i'm stumped. A fly, by night person makes a 26 druid/10sd/4fighter can kick the crap out of my PURE DRUID i spend so much wisdom on? for what then? answers are always helpful, i did get dragon form and i read forums for change and i saw my ac and ab as dragon then calculated as wyrm, i got robbed. Wasted all this wisdom for what? that can solo shadow plane who cares, try dwarf's then there is a problem if they do, let a pure druid dragon solo negative plane, if a toon can solo positive plane, or DWP then give a hoot. I do recall a few toons that soloed these planes not bosses thou. You sacrifice all this wisdom for a form you get when yop are lvl 20 that is the best? Also to end the sd problem that every server has is epic druid dragon has true, true seeing. Just been here for awhile and see things that ppl miss is all
Re: Pure Druid
True true sight was removed from dragons, just an fyi.
Murphy's Law:
Nothing is as easy as it looks.
Everything takes longer than you expect.
And if anything can go wrong,
It will, at the worst possible moment.
Nothing is as easy as it looks.
Everything takes longer than you expect.
And if anything can go wrong,
It will, at the worst possible moment.
Re: Pure Druid
Your dragonshape pure druid, is he above level 35?
IIRC, there are 2 tiers for dragonshape, below 35, and above 35. (which is much better)
IIRC, there are 2 tiers for dragonshape, below 35, and above 35. (which is much better)
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Re: Pure Druid
I would agree that the current dragon shape for pure druids is underpowered. I find the air elemental shape more useful with higher ac and ab, though damage dealt is less per hit (unless I'm using the Komodo Tribal Staff). The weapon merging with shape does compensate for this to a degree. Elemental shapes only requires taking enough class levels. Dragon shape requires investment of ability points and feats. Even with the stunning dragons out there, they have invested feats and sacrificed in other areas. A dragon should be powerful. Give the wyrm bioware true seeing. Have a different set of stats for pure druids versus multi-classed druids (sorry, more scripting I know). A character that focuses in one thing should be better at it than one that spreads it out. Bump the dragons back up a little.
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Re: Pure Druid
Druids are not what they used to be, this is true. With all the changes to spells and shapes, must admit I am also perplexed on a viable druid build, especially if one desires a caster instead of base to acheive shapes or to be a shifter. I have built 2 druids post wipe; one is lvl 40 pure druid (leveled before the changes) and other a multi classed druid/monk/sd (post changes). The second build was an attempt to create a viable casting druid after the changes, but abandoned at lvl 27 in favor of cleric based melee builds. Class just did not measure up. The last multi-classed attempt was to improve AC so would have chance to cast during encounters. I have found pure druids lacked the AC, discipline and haste necessary to survive melee long enough to cast offensive spells. However found as added other classes to improve survivability result was only to diluted build to the point where had insufficient caster lvls for offensive spell impact, making build ineffective in pvm. As have stated in another thread, majority of druid spells are reflex save and negated by evasion and improved evasion (both of which are prevalent in Aetheria in upper lvl pvm encounters and pvp).
My level 40 pure druid/dragon, prior to changes, did well in pvp and vs pvm. Post changes, people have said in game "is a bad build".
I have built her twice, once pre-wipe and post. Post wipe but pre-changes no one said was a bad build, but now they do. No one pre-wipe said she was a bad build. Pre-wipe, this build could stand in melee combat, was a valued member of raid or defense and could stand toe to toe with other builds. Did not always win; in fact lost more than ever won, but was fun, encounters lasted and were not so one-sided. Pre-wipe a DM/dev said she was unique and no one said the build was BAD then. Post-wipe made some mofications and removed what was unique but improved overall pvp performance by adding hellball and greater ruin. Post-wipe but pre-changes, no one said to me the build was bad. Post changes, she is deemed bad, don't mean to repeat but wished to stress that point: NOW people say she's a bad build. Netya'nis is primary a druid caster/dragon second, so most feats were focused on spells. Unfortunately pure druids, unshifted, lack the AC, hps, haste and disc to survive long enough in melee to cast so I use dragonshape more than intended. I will avoid the temptation to compare druid to acrane casting builds as this only seems to derail the point and start an unnecessary tanget that would not add value. Post-changes pvp encounters are short lived and usually end as a loss. This is in much attributed to my opponets superior builds as to the limitations of dragonshape as a whole. I do not intend here to lessen the craftmenship of others builds, because they are first rate.
Prior to being on-line, did not play a druid in the offline campaign which came with NWN. I did not see the worth until attempted in Aetheria, so long ago it seems. Since arriving in Aetheria I have grown found of the druid class, so persisted in using. Since, I noticed, in game, that melee battle cleric, SD and monk builds fair much better than even pre-change lvl 40 druid/dragon. Post changes, I have become dissillusioned with druid class and now favor cleric based melee builds over druid. As of late, the desire to start new builds has evaporated, not sure why.
Recommedations for pure druid/dragons post changes: from observations of others in game that current use dragonshape: do not focus in spells. Just focus in offensive melee abilities as kd, stunning fist and disarm (though do not take this as an endorsement of disarm as I still detest it). The drawbacks and weaknesses of dragonshape as a whole don't matter when your opponent is knocked down, stunned or lacks her/his weapon, thereby unable to attack all the weaknesses of dragonshape. Also focus on saves, hps and if able blinding speed or epic DR (although should state I do not know if epic DR and dragon DR will stack). The 30 wisdom requirement is a killer to achieving blinding speed or epic DR, to AB, AC, Hps, fort saves and skill points by having to focus so heavily on that ability stat which only helps will saves; which mainly helps against SoV and Weird spell as well as dwarf plane elite aura curses. So, have to wonder why spend 40 lvls as druid when can do better in those said abilities using monk, fighter or cleric as the base.
Druid as a master artisan leather crafted appears to be the main use of class.
If you truly want a dragon build that is well versed in melee skills, as hard as this is to type, seek it outside of TC and devoid of druid class in the mix. Seek and ye will find, you may have been already stunned and pk'd by such a build. If you prefer to rp, or do not intend to participate or do well in upper level planes or pvp, druid/dragon may still hold some charm. Druid/dragon even shifter/dragon appears strong but appearances are not always what they seem.
My level 40 pure druid/dragon, prior to changes, did well in pvp and vs pvm. Post changes, people have said in game "is a bad build".
I have built her twice, once pre-wipe and post. Post wipe but pre-changes no one said was a bad build, but now they do. No one pre-wipe said she was a bad build. Pre-wipe, this build could stand in melee combat, was a valued member of raid or defense and could stand toe to toe with other builds. Did not always win; in fact lost more than ever won, but was fun, encounters lasted and were not so one-sided. Pre-wipe a DM/dev said she was unique and no one said the build was BAD then. Post-wipe made some mofications and removed what was unique but improved overall pvp performance by adding hellball and greater ruin. Post-wipe but pre-changes, no one said to me the build was bad. Post changes, she is deemed bad, don't mean to repeat but wished to stress that point: NOW people say she's a bad build. Netya'nis is primary a druid caster/dragon second, so most feats were focused on spells. Unfortunately pure druids, unshifted, lack the AC, hps, haste and disc to survive long enough in melee to cast so I use dragonshape more than intended. I will avoid the temptation to compare druid to acrane casting builds as this only seems to derail the point and start an unnecessary tanget that would not add value. Post-changes pvp encounters are short lived and usually end as a loss. This is in much attributed to my opponets superior builds as to the limitations of dragonshape as a whole. I do not intend here to lessen the craftmenship of others builds, because they are first rate. Prior to being on-line, did not play a druid in the offline campaign which came with NWN. I did not see the worth until attempted in Aetheria, so long ago it seems. Since arriving in Aetheria I have grown found of the druid class, so persisted in using. Since, I noticed, in game, that melee battle cleric, SD and monk builds fair much better than even pre-change lvl 40 druid/dragon. Post changes, I have become dissillusioned with druid class and now favor cleric based melee builds over druid. As of late, the desire to start new builds has evaporated, not sure why.
Recommedations for pure druid/dragons post changes: from observations of others in game that current use dragonshape: do not focus in spells. Just focus in offensive melee abilities as kd, stunning fist and disarm (though do not take this as an endorsement of disarm as I still detest it). The drawbacks and weaknesses of dragonshape as a whole don't matter when your opponent is knocked down, stunned or lacks her/his weapon, thereby unable to attack all the weaknesses of dragonshape. Also focus on saves, hps and if able blinding speed or epic DR (although should state I do not know if epic DR and dragon DR will stack). The 30 wisdom requirement is a killer to achieving blinding speed or epic DR, to AB, AC, Hps, fort saves and skill points by having to focus so heavily on that ability stat which only helps will saves; which mainly helps against SoV and Weird spell as well as dwarf plane elite aura curses. So, have to wonder why spend 40 lvls as druid when can do better in those said abilities using monk, fighter or cleric as the base.
Druid as a master artisan leather crafted appears to be the main use of class.
If you truly want a dragon build that is well versed in melee skills, as hard as this is to type, seek it outside of TC and devoid of druid class in the mix. Seek and ye will find, you may have been already stunned and pk'd by such a build. If you prefer to rp, or do not intend to participate or do well in upper level planes or pvp, druid/dragon may still hold some charm. Druid/dragon even shifter/dragon appears strong but appearances are not always what they seem.
Murphy's Law:
Nothing is as easy as it looks.
Everything takes longer than you expect.
And if anything can go wrong,
It will, at the worst possible moment.
Nothing is as easy as it looks.
Everything takes longer than you expect.
And if anything can go wrong,
It will, at the worst possible moment.
Re: Pure Druid
I have a pure druid and a muliclassed druid myself. I did find the pure druid to be a little underpowered, but then again I built it pretty terribly, so I won't complain about it too much. It has really just been reassigned to be a full time leather crafter parked at level 30 at this point. I built the shadowdancer druid that seems so common recently (I thought I was being original at the time. Oh well) and so far it is pretty effective, if only because of it's amazing durability, as it doesn't have too much going for it offensively. There are other effective multiclassed builds that can give you more damage, but you will find attack bonuses to be somewhat lacking for a melee build by the time you hit level 40 as they don't seem to scale well, since your dex is pretty much set from level 20 druid on (and the elder air elemental has 2 less attack bonus than the character sheet and stats seem to indicate it should be, but all shifted shapes seem to have a little bit funky attack bonuses.)
Really it seems to me the best druid is the multiclassed druid, but they almost all have the same strengths and weaknesses with the only real differences being in their skills and abilities. I'd love to see druids get some love in the casting department to make pure druids an option once again, which would really spice up the druid builds instead of using them as a means to get the air elemental or to become a shifter. I'm not suggesting spells be on par with a wizard, but at this point casting is hardly even an option if you want to be any bit effective.
Really it seems to me the best druid is the multiclassed druid, but they almost all have the same strengths and weaknesses with the only real differences being in their skills and abilities. I'd love to see druids get some love in the casting department to make pure druids an option once again, which would really spice up the druid builds instead of using them as a means to get the air elemental or to become a shifter. I'm not suggesting spells be on par with a wizard, but at this point casting is hardly even an option if you want to be any bit effective.
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Re: Pure Druid
Hello Elda,
The "bad build" comments that a select few players have made are unjustified. You essentially took a double hit in the nerf department with the changes to both the druid class and the epic feat of dragon shape. I thought Nety'anis was a cool build...you played her primarily as a caster who would shift into dragon shape for the survivability aspect.
I don't agree with some of the childish comments that were made in the "Stunning Fist" thread regarding your post, in fact, I am quite certain some of those posters would also make inquiries into other build's powers, if their toon was changed as Nety'anis has been.
P.S. Your toons are welcome in any party
alasteir
The "bad build" comments that a select few players have made are unjustified. You essentially took a double hit in the nerf department with the changes to both the druid class and the epic feat of dragon shape. I thought Nety'anis was a cool build...you played her primarily as a caster who would shift into dragon shape for the survivability aspect.
I don't agree with some of the childish comments that were made in the "Stunning Fist" thread regarding your post, in fact, I am quite certain some of those posters would also make inquiries into other build's powers, if their toon was changed as Nety'anis has been.
P.S. Your toons are welcome in any party
alasteir
Re: Pure Druid
Ok because everyone thinks I (and others) are dogging on elda. It has nothing to do with dragon shape that makes a bad druid its the player behind the wheel. I have tested plenty of things and am sure I can make a sick dragon build. If noone else knows how to do this well then I am sorry for you. To note for you pure druids, almost none of the druid spells are on the mord strip list (which means mords is almost useless against you) so the only things a mords will do is lower your SR from 52 to 42. . . which of course means you are susceptible to a bigby or two. There are items that will help you get around this as well. . . also one of THE MOST powerfull pure caster classes is a druid that is abjuration focused IMHO. Since most of the buffs of a druid are not on the mords strip list that means a 40 druid with arcane defense abjuration is UNDISPELLABLE almost alltogether. Could you imagine having a toon like that in your party? Yes I say party because thats what the server is built around. Devs agree that basically all of the epic areas are designed around having concealment. . . and the ONLY way to keep concealment against mords is to have a druid around with their mass camouflage. Some of you will say "A Ranger can cast that" but a 40th level pure ranger has a caster level of 20, so a dispell DC of 31, which is a roll of 6 on an "average joe" dispeller and a roll of 0 on a dispell focused toon. Since I have been with (A) I have been building across all factions and it BAFFLES me (other than sheer numbers) that TC doesnt hold the relic indefinently considering that a druid + cleric + shifter (3 man team) can take out nearly ANY number of defenders/raiders without much of a problem.
For those of you say that multiclass druids dont deal out enough damage ask basically ANYONE who has fought (A) Ben Dover (A) how much his damage output is. The only weakness that build has is a spotter wizard/sorc, which I can build around but havent because I dont wanna see yet another druid nerf. Which means yes I agree druid have recently received a BIG nerf stick . . . but in the end all you can do is work around it which I did. Ben Dover is only creatable in 2 factions, TC and RK (which can make nearly any build) and is TOP NOTCH as a test toon with no books invested.
P.S.: The reason your AB is 2 lower than the char sheet suggests is that an elder elemental is "huge" size which means it recieves a -2 AB and AC. Just like a small (gnome/halfling) toon recieves a +1 AC/AB that is not reflected on the character sheet.
A druid (or druid/shifter) dragon is only SLIGHTLY different from a 30 RDD dragon. Different in that the RDD needs only 30 RDD levels, leaving 10 free levels (albeit 1 must be sorc/bard to qualify for RDD). The ONLY difference being that 10 levels, which if you go for the feat must be druid/shifter only (and required wisdom). Elda though you propose "what am I to do with needing all that wisdom?!?!?!". So I would say. . . why do you think there are stunning fist dragons around??? IT USES WISDOM FOR DC, because a druid/shifter build (like an RDD build) can only take 1 Improved Stunning Fist feat, meaning ALL their DC (-2) comes from wisdom alone. So if you NEED 30 to start with why not bump that up even more to give yourself (possibly) near undispellable spells AND amazing stunning fist DC. If you want to talk stonehold nerf, thats not much different than stunning fist (dont attack me for the comparison I know of the weak link between the two) in the fact that its appx 3 rounds on both. If you had a PARTY in the situation I have seen a 3 round (especially recasted) stonehold DO WONDERS!!!!! In PvP and PvM. In fact the reason I was able to level Ben Dover without going crazy is that I used him as a CASTER druid with minimum wisdom and no str to boot (dex doesnt matter I didnt take finesse as you get it for free for shifting). Alone I couldnt dream of it, but I found others to join me and was able to progress easily. . . now Ben Dover is one of the most feared toons on the server. In fact the 90+ AC (with epic dodge) Bolg runs from him EVEN with an epic PM summon, because A) He cannot spot me (his fault PM gets the skills) and B) I can KD and hit him easily!
Dont even get me started on shifter toons, because they are by far the most powerfull class/prestige class on the server. HiPS, Sneak Attack, Amazing Weapons, Shifting Weapons, Double boots AC, EASY 22 str/dex/con, ETC, ETC, BLOODY ETC. I say this having a shifter toon that has enough shfiter to be able to have the "epic" form of each of the base shifter forms (soon to be a toon with undead/construct/outsider form (not enough wis for dragon sadly)) so I have seen first hand that my non-focused medua form has 300 more HP than a dragon shifter. The fact that this medusa form COULD have epic dodge and AMAZING sneak attack is overpowered in my opinion. I dont have the time to build all these toons though, so they will remain unknown.
I will admit I am biased TOWARD druid (yes toward), because me and my sister used to play PnP together. . . my favorite 2 classes are druid and monk. My sister has the favorite two classes of monk and druid, so I have seen ALOT of what a druid is good for. While I will admit Lokey should not have nerfed Natures Balance before I built my NB spamming toon and such. . . I think druid because of their "outside the box" abilities are still easily one of the most powefull classes around. I also want to say I think that Ranger/Druid/Shifter should be able to take a Dragon/Undead/Construct epic feat, or atleast a ranger should receive wild shape at some level (albeit level 21 like hips or even 25) to make them viable shifter classes considering the current restrictions. I believe this esecially because of the "non-restrictive" 30 RDD dragon form. . . . ANYONE can stick a toon out long enough to hit level 40, so the hippies should not suffer and Ranger falls MORE than in-line with protector/defender of nature. If ranger is too far with outdoor hips crazy shifter toons then let cleric/druid/shifter toons able to take those feats as they are all (mostly excepting shifter) dedicated to one deity (granted assuming a nature god(ess)) that would grant/allow them such power.
P.P.S: 5 spot for shifting to a dragon wyrm is pretty weak vs bioware trueseeing. . . especially considering you keep them immune to crits. Dragons are supposed to be immune to crits because they have "blind-sense" meaning anyone who is around (touching the ground (like blind-sight) or not) will be automatically detected, therefore allowing a dragon to shift their "weak" spots away from a sneak attack. Although not allowing them to be immune to crits as they cannot shift away from someone who "knows where to strike" or "gets a lucky shot" like a critical hit. This essentially forces all spotting dragons now to come from AO and 30 RDD builds or to be 35 druid / 5 shifter making them weaker than need be.
For those of you say that multiclass druids dont deal out enough damage ask basically ANYONE who has fought (A) Ben Dover (A) how much his damage output is. The only weakness that build has is a spotter wizard/sorc, which I can build around but havent because I dont wanna see yet another druid nerf. Which means yes I agree druid have recently received a BIG nerf stick . . . but in the end all you can do is work around it which I did. Ben Dover is only creatable in 2 factions, TC and RK (which can make nearly any build) and is TOP NOTCH as a test toon with no books invested.
P.S.: The reason your AB is 2 lower than the char sheet suggests is that an elder elemental is "huge" size which means it recieves a -2 AB and AC. Just like a small (gnome/halfling) toon recieves a +1 AC/AB that is not reflected on the character sheet.
A druid (or druid/shifter) dragon is only SLIGHTLY different from a 30 RDD dragon. Different in that the RDD needs only 30 RDD levels, leaving 10 free levels (albeit 1 must be sorc/bard to qualify for RDD). The ONLY difference being that 10 levels, which if you go for the feat must be druid/shifter only (and required wisdom). Elda though you propose "what am I to do with needing all that wisdom?!?!?!". So I would say. . . why do you think there are stunning fist dragons around??? IT USES WISDOM FOR DC, because a druid/shifter build (like an RDD build) can only take 1 Improved Stunning Fist feat, meaning ALL their DC (-2) comes from wisdom alone. So if you NEED 30 to start with why not bump that up even more to give yourself (possibly) near undispellable spells AND amazing stunning fist DC. If you want to talk stonehold nerf, thats not much different than stunning fist (dont attack me for the comparison I know of the weak link between the two) in the fact that its appx 3 rounds on both. If you had a PARTY in the situation I have seen a 3 round (especially recasted) stonehold DO WONDERS!!!!! In PvP and PvM. In fact the reason I was able to level Ben Dover without going crazy is that I used him as a CASTER druid with minimum wisdom and no str to boot (dex doesnt matter I didnt take finesse as you get it for free for shifting). Alone I couldnt dream of it, but I found others to join me and was able to progress easily. . . now Ben Dover is one of the most feared toons on the server. In fact the 90+ AC (with epic dodge) Bolg runs from him EVEN with an epic PM summon, because A) He cannot spot me (his fault PM gets the skills) and B) I can KD and hit him easily!
Dont even get me started on shifter toons, because they are by far the most powerfull class/prestige class on the server. HiPS, Sneak Attack, Amazing Weapons, Shifting Weapons, Double boots AC, EASY 22 str/dex/con, ETC, ETC, BLOODY ETC. I say this having a shifter toon that has enough shfiter to be able to have the "epic" form of each of the base shifter forms (soon to be a toon with undead/construct/outsider form (not enough wis for dragon sadly)) so I have seen first hand that my non-focused medua form has 300 more HP than a dragon shifter. The fact that this medusa form COULD have epic dodge and AMAZING sneak attack is overpowered in my opinion. I dont have the time to build all these toons though, so they will remain unknown.
I will admit I am biased TOWARD druid (yes toward), because me and my sister used to play PnP together. . . my favorite 2 classes are druid and monk. My sister has the favorite two classes of monk and druid, so I have seen ALOT of what a druid is good for. While I will admit Lokey should not have nerfed Natures Balance before I built my NB spamming toon and such. . . I think druid because of their "outside the box" abilities are still easily one of the most powefull classes around. I also want to say I think that Ranger/Druid/Shifter should be able to take a Dragon/Undead/Construct epic feat, or atleast a ranger should receive wild shape at some level (albeit level 21 like hips or even 25) to make them viable shifter classes considering the current restrictions. I believe this esecially because of the "non-restrictive" 30 RDD dragon form. . . . ANYONE can stick a toon out long enough to hit level 40, so the hippies should not suffer and Ranger falls MORE than in-line with protector/defender of nature. If ranger is too far with outdoor hips crazy shifter toons then let cleric/druid/shifter toons able to take those feats as they are all (mostly excepting shifter) dedicated to one deity (granted assuming a nature god(ess)) that would grant/allow them such power.
P.P.S: 5 spot for shifting to a dragon wyrm is pretty weak vs bioware trueseeing. . . especially considering you keep them immune to crits. Dragons are supposed to be immune to crits because they have "blind-sense" meaning anyone who is around (touching the ground (like blind-sight) or not) will be automatically detected, therefore allowing a dragon to shift their "weak" spots away from a sneak attack. Although not allowing them to be immune to crits as they cannot shift away from someone who "knows where to strike" or "gets a lucky shot" like a critical hit. This essentially forces all spotting dragons now to come from AO and 30 RDD builds or to be 35 druid / 5 shifter making them weaker than need be.
Amoenotep wrote:korr is the greatest
Re: Pure Druid
Hello Korr,
My post was not intended as a shot towards your building practice. In addition, I am also not complaining about the lack of building options in the shifter class. I have a shifter.......I like him. I like your (a) Ben Dover build, but in all honesty, I have to say, a shifter shouldn't be vulnerable to that build. Mine certainly isn't. I am a tad confused about your post, as you and I have discussed this topic before, right after we had engaged in combat during a relic raid. I posted the comment because I thought a few players were taking unfair shots at Elda's building practice, and her supposed intentions. Elda is a very good player and one of the nicer players on the server.
alasteir
My post was not intended as a shot towards your building practice. In addition, I am also not complaining about the lack of building options in the shifter class. I have a shifter.......I like him. I like your (a) Ben Dover build, but in all honesty, I have to say, a shifter shouldn't be vulnerable to that build. Mine certainly isn't. I am a tad confused about your post, as you and I have discussed this topic before, right after we had engaged in combat during a relic raid. I posted the comment because I thought a few players were taking unfair shots at Elda's building practice, and her supposed intentions. Elda is a very good player and one of the nicer players on the server.
alasteir
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Re: Pure Druid
Korr worte:
"A druid (or druid/shifter) dragon is only SLIGHTLY different from a 30 RDD dragon. Different in that the RDD needs only 30 RDD levels, leaving 10 free levels (albeit 1 must be sorc/bard to qualify for RDD). The ONLY difference being that 10 levels, which if you go for the feat must be druid/shifter only (and required wisdom)."
::EDITED POST:: removed the lengthly dialog previously submitted demostrating how RDD and druid dragon's are as stated in below post that these are apples to oranges. Not gone to trash bin entirely, retained as note pad file so may one day repost elsewhere.
Instead will simply state I respectfully disagree with the statement that "A druid (or druid/shifter) dragon is only SLIGHTLY different from a 30 RDD dragon".
Reason: Ghost was right to state thread about pure druid. In round about way that lengthy post pointed out weaknessed in present druid class, but will attempt to come up with more appropriate post regarding pure druids ideas to improve class.
"A druid (or druid/shifter) dragon is only SLIGHTLY different from a 30 RDD dragon. Different in that the RDD needs only 30 RDD levels, leaving 10 free levels (albeit 1 must be sorc/bard to qualify for RDD). The ONLY difference being that 10 levels, which if you go for the feat must be druid/shifter only (and required wisdom)."
::EDITED POST:: removed the lengthly dialog previously submitted demostrating how RDD and druid dragon's are as stated in below post that these are apples to oranges. Not gone to trash bin entirely, retained as note pad file so may one day repost elsewhere.
Instead will simply state I respectfully disagree with the statement that "A druid (or druid/shifter) dragon is only SLIGHTLY different from a 30 RDD dragon".
Reason: Ghost was right to state thread about pure druid. In round about way that lengthy post pointed out weaknessed in present druid class, but will attempt to come up with more appropriate post regarding pure druids ideas to improve class.
Last edited by Eldaquen on Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:03 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Murphy's Law:
Nothing is as easy as it looks.
Everything takes longer than you expect.
And if anything can go wrong,
It will, at the worst possible moment.
Nothing is as easy as it looks.
Everything takes longer than you expect.
And if anything can go wrong,
It will, at the worst possible moment.
Re: Pure Druid
Pure druids received another nerf: ability to cast hell ball and greater ruin was removed when in a shifted shape.
Murphy's Law:
Nothing is as easy as it looks.
Everything takes longer than you expect.
And if anything can go wrong,
It will, at the worst possible moment.
Nothing is as easy as it looks.
Everything takes longer than you expect.
And if anything can go wrong,
It will, at the worst possible moment.
Re: Pure Druid
In itself its not that bad that RDD dragon shape might be stronger than the druid build, since druid does get spells too, but since in PVP you end up in 1 shape all the time, shifting during battle or staying in caster form is normally suicide, it seems like only the power of the shape you're in matters.
And korr, just to compare, you seem quite fond of your ben dover char and he's 'one of the best on the server' now imagine HIPS gets nerfed/changed and the air elemental shape gets changed, you PVP a bit more after and see you're not nearly as effective and when you lose people tell you to build better.
Wouldnt that just be a tad annoying?
And korr, just to compare, you seem quite fond of your ben dover char and he's 'one of the best on the server' now imagine HIPS gets nerfed/changed and the air elemental shape gets changed, you PVP a bit more after and see you're not nearly as effective and when you lose people tell you to build better.
Wouldnt that just be a tad annoying?
Re: Pure Druid
elda i don't play much of druids, or 30 rdds. but i'm sure everyone that is in AO has at one point and time looked at making a 30 rdd. the fact is they are useless until 40. if you take feats to make yourself not useless then your missing feats to make your dragon not as usefull. . and since it's always about what you'll be at 40, most would rather suck it up and just sponge until they hit that mark.
also, feats. . i seen you pointed out that both druid and rdd builds have the same amount of feats. . well if you look at the bonus feats for rdd.. you pretty much end up having to take toughness like 4 times. . there's nothing else you can put it into. . rdd epic feats are; pretty much based around casting. . and we don't do much casting with our few levels of bard/sorc.
also that whole cannot do hellball while shifted thing.. i'm with you on that. . that sucks they took it away. . i just like how it looked cool lol. even if it was happening to me.
also, feats. . i seen you pointed out that both druid and rdd builds have the same amount of feats. . well if you look at the bonus feats for rdd.. you pretty much end up having to take toughness like 4 times. . there's nothing else you can put it into. . rdd epic feats are; pretty much based around casting. . and we don't do much casting with our few levels of bard/sorc.
also that whole cannot do hellball while shifted thing.. i'm with you on that. . that sucks they took it away. . i just like how it looked cool lol. even if it was happening to me.
Re: Pure Druid
It seems like the inability to cast epic spells in shifted form is a side effect of a different "fix" and probably not intentional. Maybe someone should start another thread specifically about that to bring it to the devs attention.
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Re: Pure Druid
Apples to oranges elda, youre not exploring all the options. 35 druid / 5 shifter would give you the spot you want. A epic skill focus discipline would give you a 10 disc boost. If you cant see it already then theres nothing more I can show you.
In response to hips being nerfed, Ben Dover was built with that impending doom in mind. With buffs he has over 80 AC and is immune to crits/sneaks.
In response to hips being nerfed, Ben Dover was built with that impending doom in mind. With buffs he has over 80 AC and is immune to crits/sneaks.
Amoenotep wrote:korr is the greatest