A few suggestions for MA

[arvut]

Here comes some ideas I've been thinking of for awhile, mainly about the limitations of my favorite faction, MA.

First of all, I would like to suggest adding Ranger to the selectable classes for MA. I know it is a mage/thief faction, but there are a great number of outdoor areas near the mystic city of Garagoth, so rangers wandering those plains would only be natural. Also, a thing I've noticed is that both AO and RK have them (I dont see the logical reason why RK do when SL don't to be honest, as both are cavedwelling factions).

Another idea I've had is to allow CG characters to join MA, which would solve the problem with the good-aligned wizards pretty much. Also, adding Mystra, Oghma and perhaps a 3rd neutral or good aligned mage deity would make sense. Allowing more wizardry than just the dark part of it, kinda like the Bahamut/Tiamat "conflict" in AO.

Having both good and evil aligned mages in the same faction would be great for RPing, imagine the mage duels that would take place Causing chaos and havoc on the streets

I also see the lack of domains as a slight problem, I think the wastes of angmar should be enough to allow the Sun domain, and since Garagoth has connections to the planar activity then i think the four elemental domains would be suitable aswell.

That's all for now /arvut

[LinuxPup]

I don't understand there being a problem with no good-aligned wizards? Which of course, there are... in RK.

[Lorkar]

Not to take a leak in your cheerios, but the ranger in MA was brought up, discussed and dismissed without ever being given any real explanation other than they said so.

CG will never be allowed in MA due to its evil nature.

Rangers will also NEVER be allowed in SL since it would unbalance the server and make SL unbeatable.

Note to staff: I dare you to prove me wrong...

P.S. Good wizards in RK are wonderful if all you want to do is throw magic missiles at your opponents ankles.

[MLoki]

I don't understand there being a problem with no good-aligned wizards? Which of course, there are... in RK.

Obviously you haven't seen the hoards of new players heading off to the Devil Angel after making a Good aligned Elven Wizard. Some of them are never to be seen again.

[DM_Kim]

And that tells you too how many are having a peek at Wiki.

I've seen a good number of new players leave on this line: "What??? No perma haste items. That sucks"

You sure can tell that most of these folk never played on a factioned server as good as this one.

[arvut]

What MLoki says is true, I've seen others complain at it aswell and leave the server for exactly that reason.

And this has nothing to do with perma haste items or such things, Kim. Please keep it ontopic.

The dwarfs are for some reason mixed with both good and evil aligned (sub)races, they have access to both blackguards, rangers, wizards, sorcerors and not to forget, paladins. This mix has no logic in it and if there would be any then there would be two separate factions for good and evil aligned dwarves/gnomes.

Same thing goes for human and elven wizards. Placing them all in the evil factions makes no sense at all, when there should be quite a few good aligned ones.

I would also like to hear an explanation for why rangers are not allowed in MA, perhaps it is because rangers are not the slightest arcane? Or maybe it is because MA's relations with SL, where rangers are banned for a known reason? Either way, it would be great to hear about you developers thoughts on this.

The "chaotic good in MA" was only a suggestion. Nothing too serious.

Justifying "RK has good aligned wizards" as a good enough reason to not let other races have them is unfair and unlogical. And I hope that some day, LA will be open for them, and bring some balance back for us mage-fan's.

[Daltian]

Simple explenation. Arcane magic is destroying the universe. Wizards still use those powers --> wizards are evil. Oh, and since dwarf wizards are so small (and not really good at it, you can't really commit to studies with all the ale they consume) their footprint on universe destruction is negligable so they can be of good alignement.

[LinuxPup]

Same thing goes for human and elven wizards. Placing them all in the evil factions makes no sense at all, when there should be quite a few good aligned ones.

Do I have to make up a RP reason why this works or can I just point to the PW Action title in Gamespy?

There will never be good in MA...there's a statue of Cyric in the main town center! The banners at the entrance of the city say "Satan lives here". And there's really no need for good elven wizards... such a minuscule niche build isn't high on our list of things to do. The difference is what, smiting and summons? Go make a neutral wizard in Garagoth. If something that small will make a player shout and wish to not play NS4, then either they're too picky or they're Ade. LA was one of the most unbalanced ideas we've had... yay for limitations.

Dwarves are mainly associated with lawful alignments.. not good or evil. As to why they have both good and evil... well, ya I guess when you think about it it seems odd... and why is AO ruled by red and gold dragons?

SL doesn't get rangers for balance reasons.... RK shouldn't really have druids or rangers, but we give it to them for pity sake. MA having rangers well... if you read my old posts before I became a dev you'll see my stance on that.

EDIT: Another idea is to make a neutral wizard in MA and name him "Chaotic Good Elven Wizard"

[mgrjebbo]

LMAO.....Ade.....

[MrAsimov]

Good in MA? What would we want with them holier than thou types anyway? Glad we won't be seeing them.

I wouldn't mind seeing sun or elemental domains as they would allow more variations in what could be made, but I can see the wish to limit divine casting types in an arcane faction. Although, while this really makes little difference, when it comes to reasons for domains in the faction I do believe the one that seems to be missing is actually destruction, since the major gods in the faction all have destruction as one of their domains. (Unless of course this is actually allowed and just isn't posted as such anywhere obvious. )

[Korr]

Why can dwarves play any class? There is always enough ale around to make you not care about the guy on the end of the table!


Why cant we have rangers in MA? You can. . . welcome to first-hand witnessing what happens when you infuse a human with the blood of a dire bear?! "Ooops. . . it killed him" "Damn, ok. . . Next Subject for testing infusing a human with Stink Beetle blood"

Why cant we have good aligned elf-wizard? Elves meditate for 4 hours, you need 8 hours of rest to memorize spells. Play an good elven sorc out of AO.

[Tsavong]

There will never be good in MA...there's a statue of Cyric in the main town center! The banners at the entrance of the city say "Satan lives here".

Indeed what would a faction with people who worship Bane and Cyric want with good people running around, apart from a fresh supply of bodes to stick on the road outside the city. Though I can always use the Cyric worshippers if there was a need for that

Praise Bane

[cRaZy8or5e]

There will never be good in MA...there's a statue of Cyric in the main town center! The banners at the entrance of the city say "Satan lives here".

Indeed what would a faction with people who worship Bane and Cyric want with good people running around, apart from a fresh supply of bodes to stick on the road outside the city. Though I can always use the Cyric worshippers if there was a need for that

Praise Bane

Blah blah blah, I wish I was as evil and depraved as the Cyric worshippers blah blah blah, Bane drools and Cyric rules blah blah blah my God got killed by Cyric.

True evil lies in House SyN, everyone else are just pretenders.

[ashsagoon]

Blah blah blah, I wish I was as evil and depraved as the Cyric worshippers blah blah blah, Bane drools and Cyric rules blah blah blah my God got killed by Cyric.

True evil lies in House SyN, everyone else are just pretenders.

Yes SyN... seen happily stomping around the server in the company of FoN, CLAD, and TSS. You guys are soooo evil.

[cRaZy8or5e]

Its cuz we are FoN/CLAD/TSS . . . duh!.