Word of faith vs epic summons

[Fezz]

Hello everyone, 4 of us ran some tests with wof and solar's today to see what we could learn.

Basically Mine was cast by a lvl 33 with 22 lvls of druid (11 shifter) and Spell focus, greater spell focus Conjuration and died all but 2 times to someone with 31 lvls of cleric.

Valis of the brethran was kind enough to come along with his solar and it never died to wof from a lvl 31 cleric at all. Basically im very confused as to what determines wether your summons goes by bye or not.

The caster lvl of the summon is capped at 25 for solars ? so the only diff between mine and Valis' one was 3 lvls and the last epic conj feat - is this true once i get those as well mine will virtually never die from wof ??

any clear explanations here by a dev, and or DM's would be much appreciated there were atleast 6 other ppl very interested in how this WOF vs epic summons works.

Thanks in advance.

[Ragnareith]

As far as I understand it, Word of Faith is an absolute spell - there is NO save to consider, and if the summoned creature gets affected by the spell, it dies instantly. Word of Faith CAN be blocked by a successful spell resistance check. If Valis was a more powerful caster than you, chances are he had epic spell focus in conjuration. If he was a planetouched subrace, his solar was probably even more powerful, which would infer a greater spell resistance amongst other things.

There's ALSO spell penetration to consider. A character with more caster levels and penetration feats is simply more likely to penetrate spell resistance and get rid of another character's solar.

[Fezz]

alright i understand what your saying, but i went and got my lvl 40 druid out with my lvl 40 scaled mummy. I have epic Necro and epic Conj feats as well. The SR on mummy is 0 and valis couldn't WOF it at all to death.

He had 35 lvls of cleric, so it seems something apart from SR is being checked to see if the summon goes bye bye or not (considering mummy had 0 SR)

But from what i can tell so far on my lvl 33 druid shifter, i think im just going to de- level it back to 32 and use the 2 feats for greater ruin and hell ball - i cant see the point on spending 3 Conj feats and an epic spell for a summon thats getting killed 90% or more of the time by a lvl 7 cleric spell.

Anyways can anyone else tell why a SR 0 mummy never gets WOF ? but a 44 SR solar does. Thanks for the reply rag.

[LinuxPup]

If the caster is higher level than the target summon, then it banishes (destroys) it.

[Amoenotep]

except in a few rare cases...like..lvl 30pm summons, i've never seen one WoF...ever and i think the lvl 40 pure mummy falls under that too..

[Fezz]

Ok so a lvl 26 cleric will kill a lvl 25 (maxed) solar provided the SR is beaten - and the mummy never gets banished no matter what.

K thanks everyone - lol no doubt now im D lvling to 32 ))

[Amoenotep]

well..i've seen solars not get WoF'd if the summoner is high lvl...its all a crap shoot mostly, but its a jaded one

[frogofpeace]

yeah - I have a L30 aasimar cleric with all the conj feats, and I pretty much figure his solar is going bye-bye first thing in PvP or anywhere there's WoF, but she's surprised me once or twice. Sally can solo the fire boss tho (I have to heal her), and she's soooo pretty!

[--Ashe--]

Been a few times I have tried to Word a solar into oblivion with my 40 pure cleric and not gotten rid of it. Sometimes it will, sometimes it won't.

[LinuxPup]

if a pure level 40 cleric can break through its SR, then it should banish it... but they can have up to 65 SR which is tough to break... things that improve planar summons:

-Conjuration focus feats
-Being a planar subrace
-Good/Evil domain

BTW, if you can't banish them... try turning them

[Lokey]

I did something specific to at least curb WoF nuking "epic spell" summons, since it does so much else. Not for Banishment or Dismissal: those have will saves.

[Amoenotep]

WoF is one of those spells that should have been removed in the begining by nerfzilla in the nerfageddon

[frogofpeace]

eh, i think it's about rightsized - though if your feeling generous, you could give solars back real truesight . One of my favorite times on the server was watching a solar chasing a hipsing archer around (sirius, I think?, can't remember, the one that got to 40 before planes )

[Terl]

You mean Sirus =KST=, the 39 rogue 1 sd that could do consistent 150 point shots. Yeah that was annoying, second day on the server and I got killed by someone in one shot because he was too far away to see. Turned out to be Sirus. He hit 40 in Zons.

[LinuxPup]

He had at least 6 fighter levels I believe too... 33 rogue/6 fighter/1 SD if I recall.