Can i master the Tailoring Crafting with a Bard/Fighter/WM?

[Gary Diving]

Can i master the Tailoring Crafting with a 19Bard/4Fighter/7WM?
i heard there are some new changes about crafting after 1.69. But i don't know where to check it.

[VagaStorm]

Can i master the Tailoring Crafting with a 19Bard/4Fighter/7WM?
i heard there are some new changes about crafting after 1.69. But i don't know where to check it.

I dont know, but I sure hope so since my currently planed crafter is 19Monk/4Fighter/7WM

[Celorn]

the 1.69 changes don't really effect NS4 as far as I know...

but multiclassing with most PRCs will BREAK crafters, IF you take any of the PRC levels before attaining Master Artisan, as far as I know, after that you can take any class you like without issue.

THIS page on our wiki explains it in detail: http://www.nsrealm.com/ns4wiki/index.ph ... l_Crafting

I am in the same boat, this time around I decided to make crafters that can double as PvE or PvP toons, (though this means slightly nerfing the build in one case), I will know soon first-hand if it actually works!

Pre-wipe I had a wiz35/monk4 and he could craft MA arcane and upgrade fully with no problem, I took the monk levels well after (nearly a year after actually) hitting MA. I have a bard that just hit MA tailoring today, and now I am going to take RDD levels so we'll see if that screws it up or not (I really hope not).

Anyone with experience on this pre-wipe? Did it work out?

[Nyeleni]

Hate to tell you but only AA and WM allow to craft higher than lvl3, or maybe the wiki is wrong:

If a character has one or more levels in Assassin, Blackguard, Cleric, Champion of Torm, Dwarven Defender, Red Dragon Disciple, Paladin, Pale Master, or Shadowdancer, then that character cannot become more that a Craftsman (Level 3) in any tradeskill. Otherwise the character can advance to at least Level 4 (Master Craftsman).

Prewipe I couldn't use any MA arcane crafting with my mage after taking one lvl in Dwarven Defender.

[Celorn]

Bah... that's annoying but thanks for the tip -- so you got to MA and crafted MA gear but couldn't make any more or upgrade at all? Or could you upgrade still?

I wonder if the mighty devs can look at this and see if it can be changed? What was the reason for it in the first place? Just to force people to make separate crafters so there are more easier kills running around?

Luckily, it really only effects one of my crafters and I can still put her to good use with more bard levels anyhow -- I'll just have to make another toon to try out the RDD - on the plus side I'll gain a few points in fort saves by taking the RDD pre-20 anyhow.

[VagaStorm]

Pre wipe, I had a tailor that got wm lvls even b4 he started crafting. But, you can not be MA in any trade skil if you have any lvls in the following clases: Assassin, Blackguard, Cleric, Champion of Torm, Dwarven Defender, Red Dragon Disciple, Paladin, Pale Master, or Shadowdancer. RDD == no go, wm ho ever is ok, r should be :p

[Celorn]

gahh!! Now i'm not sure...

I always thought you just had to get TO MA level of crafting, once you had that THEN you can take any class you would like without messing your MA status up...

So now I have 2 opposite answers... could a dev/dm plz chime in and lay out the facts, double plz!?

Did anyone specifically have a bard/rdd tailor that hit ma before taking any rdd lvls and was still able to craft and upgrade ma gear afterwards?

maybe the posted info is incorrect? maybe there are less classes that actually mess up MA crafting?

SO to the original poster: I GIVE YOU A RESOUNDING .... MAYBE ....

[disastro]

pre wipe i had a bard ftr wm who definitely maxed tailoring and was able to upgrade items all the way to 30. items to note:

your bard levels have to be high enough to craft. the ftr/wm dont help but dont hurt. on my build i didnt have enough bard levels to hit ma until early 30s.

once you are ma, *upgrading* items relies on your TOTAL level. so 20 bard/5 ftr CAN upgrade items to level 25. 20 bard 5 ftr 5wm (total level == 30) CAN upgrade items to level 30. i.e. you dont have to be 30 bard to upgrade to lvl 30 tailor items.

all that being said i can only speak of my experience with ftr bard wm -> cloth. i dont know if other combinations work or have issues.

[Celorn]

Ahh! That must be it then... so my original thinking was correct -whew-

this just means that in order to make an rdd/bard that can tailor lvl30 gear, i'd have to take at least 28-29 bard levels which i won't hit until lvl39..ouch to upgrade lvl30 gloves. This works out since I had 29 bard lvls planned... I may just go ahead and roll the 1d20 and hope i don't roll a 1!

[disastro]

Ahh! That must be it then... so my original thinking was correct -whew-

this just means that in order to make an rdd/bard that can tailor lvl30 gear, i'd have to take at least 28-29 bard levels which i won't hit until lvl39..ouch to upgrade lvl30 gloves. This works out since I had 29 bard lvls planned... I may just go ahead and roll the 1d20 and hope i don't roll a 1!

my understanding is that you only need 20 levels of bard to get master artisan. i dont know if rdd limits crafting or upgrading in any way. if you're going to run an rdd experiment i would suggest pure bard till 20, get your ma crafter, *then* start in on rdd.

less risky would be 1-30 bard, craft & upgrade, then rdd 31-40.

[Fezz]

The way I understand it you need 19lvls of the crafting class, and 29 total lvls to be able to double upgrade.

So a 19 druid 10 monk can MA double upgrade leather.

[Celorn]

Well I'm gonna go ahead and risk it for the sake of knowing 100% for sure myself ;P

If it doesn't work I'll make another tailor pure bard or monk anyhow...

[Alkapwn]

the bard/fgt/wm build can and does work for MA w/upgrades.