"Pure" bardsong

[Amoenotep]

i can haz bard topiks plz?

[Kromix]

Lets talk about Combat Bards...

[Alkapwn]

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[Alkapwn]

I'm against nerfing something everyone has and can use. Bard nerf is bad because it introduces more imbalance in the game.

How does reducing the power of bardsong make things more "imbalanced".

Party members still get the bonuses, Still balances out once cursed by enemy bard.
Is loosing 1ac/ab really making you bard worthless or out of balance?
It will whole lot more nerfing to neuter a bard

I think we'll see alot more multiclassed bards now as pure bard is less appealing.
*clones Brihlhasti*

[rocketkai]

I have to agree with Alk about the multiclassed bard part. 30 lvls of bard multipling with other classes would be more attractive now...

[rocketkai]

Lol my toon with 78 ac and 58 ab got nerfed to armageddon, yet that is the low end of builds for you. Point in case that it deserves it's own topic.

There should be a good baseline like ab + ac = 130 or something, anything above that needs nerfing in one way or another.

My first build after the wipe of 1.69 was a str-based bard/clr/cot (at that time the DM still gives 2*cha mod divine damage), I got selfbuffed 66ab/77ac (accounting for the curse song) without even using any books, but I stoped playing her at lvl33. Guess what? I got a lot of other more insteresting and powerful builds to work on, although some of those builds have been nerfed as well. but I will just move on. BTW, you are a very experienced player and ya know that ab/ac not everything sometimes.

[frogofpeace]

Many people die with their music still in them.
- Oliver Wendell Holmes

[Cahaal]

Kill the double poster!!!

[Alkapwn]

Kill the double poster!!!

heh wonder how that happened. i was just trying to fix the quote

[OpalimTeGolim]

I'm against nerfing something everyone has and can use. Bard nerf is bad because it introduces more imbalance in the game.

How does reducing the power of bardsong make things more "imbalanced".

Party members still get the bonuses, Still balances out once cursed by enemy bard.
Is loosing 1ac/ab really making you bard worthless or out of balance?
It will whole lot more nerfing to neuter a bard

I think we'll see alot more multiclassed bards now as pure bard is less appealing.
*clones Brihlhasti*

I just noticed your post now.
Now lvl 30 bards are more attractive, so making them makes more sense, and faction specific bard builds are a real possibility now. For example, MA can now make 30 bard, 10 pm build to get decent song/curse and crit immunities. This build is not available in other factions. That is the imbalance I was talkng about.

I don't know how good 30bard/10pm would be, but I am concerned that someone will make a really nice faction specific mix that devs will proclaim overpowered which will cause more nerfing to happen. I mean, isn't that what caused pure bard bonuses in the first place?

[Kromix]

hahah bard assasin, blind deaf stab...

[Rufio]

lol, I like the idea of rolling up a bard shifter.

[LinuxPup]

I don't know how good 30bard/10pm would be, but I am concerned that someone will make a really nice faction specific mix that devs will proclaim overpowered which will cause more nerfing to happen. I mean, isn't that what caused pure bard bonuses in the first place?

I'm intimately familiar with this build (30 bard/10 PM), and as far as I know its powerful but not overpowered. A nice note to make is that Pale Master levels count as half levels for the sake of resisting dispels.

On another note, pure bards were good before their sonic damage boost was given to them.... why go pure if you don't get any "special" bonus? Longer duration on buffs, and difficult to dispel buffs (even more so if you get Arcane Defense: Abjuration)... those shouldn't be overlooked as useless. Also an extra little bit for Bard/Curse song. A 30 Bard/10 RDD is great, but more vulnerable to greater dispels than a pure 40 bard or even a 30 bard/10 PM.

[Kromix]

I don't know how good 30bard/10pm would be, but I am concerned that someone will make a really nice faction specific mix that devs will proclaim overpowered which will cause more nerfing to happen. I mean, isn't that what caused pure bard bonuses in the first place?

I'm intimately familiar with this build (30 bard/10 PM), and as far as I know its powerful but not overpowered. A nice note to make is that Pale Master levels count as half levels for the sake of resisting dispels.

On another note, pure bards were good before their sonic damage boost was given to them.... why go pure if you don't get any "special" bonus? Longer duration on buffs, and difficult to dispel buffs (even more so if you get Arcane Defense: Abjuration)... those shouldn't be overlooked as useless. Also an extra little bit for Bard/Curse song. A 30 Bard/10 RDD is great, but more vulnerable to greater dispels than a pure 40 bard or even a 30 bard/10 PM.

hes intimately familiar alright