You be the dev: Word of Faith

[DM-Baccob]

a few ideas, hopefully differnt to existing effects by other spells

A. Party AoE True Strike buff (non extendable)
B. Party friendly collosal Knockback for other alignments. will save and SR (like a turning)
C. Like aligned in party CHA bonus to dodge AC (think divine shield) duration 1 round per 6 levels, extendable.
D. Random curse* in collosal area non party friendly effecting all with non matching diety. *Randomly from Ability, AC, AB, encumberance, blind, fear. no save but SR
E. Force all non friendly toons on map who are dead w/o xp loss pending to respawn no save no SR
F. Players same diety immune. players will save or convert. monsters/pets and all that resist convert reflex or blind. all that blind fort or knockdown.
G. Will or Alzaara aura.

[LunarSquirrel]

E. Force all non friendly toons on map who are dead w/o xp loss pending to respawn no save no SR

Ultima Online has a spell similar to this called Exorcism. If you die and are no where near your corpse as a ghost, you are automatically sent to res at the nearest shrine (think bind point here). This would work if say, the conditions were that no one was alive within x amount distance of dead players, or after a certain amount of time. Prevents enemies from holding a room.

Don't make it even harder to ressurect while in combat - I think it's fine as is. Part of the fun is getting back into the fight.

[Tal]

Hey.. here's a novel idea:

Word of Faith
Caster Level: Cleric 7
Innate Level: 7 School: Evocation
Component(s): V Range: Medium
Save: None Spell Resistance: Yes
Immunity Type: Divine
Area of Effect/Target: Colossal
Duration: Instant
Description: A wave of divine energy blasts all enemy creatures within
the area of effect. All enemies within the area are stunned for 1 round
per 2 caster levels. Those with 4 Hit Dice or less are killed instantly. Any
hostile summoned creatures are returned to their home planes.
· Level 13 6 rounds stunned
· Level 14 7 rounds stunned
· Level 16 8 rounds stunned
· Level 18 9 rounds stunned
· Level 20 10 rounds stunned
· Level 22 11 rounds stunned
· Level 24 12 rounds stunned
· Level 26 13 rounds stunned
· Level 28 14 rounds stunned
· Level 30 15 rounds stunned
· Level 32 16 rounds stunned
· Level 34 17 rounds stunned
· Level 36 18 rounds stunned
· Level 38 19 rounds stunned
· Level 40 20 rounds stunned



Sometimes keeping a spell the way it was intended is the best nerf (or "fix") of all. Maybe change the time, say to a max of 10 rounds like how the RK hammer once was, or even 5 rounds. Maybe make it dependent on levels of evo focus or whatever focus it is made to be.

The spell was once considered the Great Dexer equalizer... can't you just make it do what it was suppose to do???

[Alkapwn]

I think 1 rd/10caster lvls would be more reasonable

SR=yes Saves=No

[Lokey]

Sun Tzu: yah, 3.5 has others in that vein: Holy Word (non-good pain), Dictum (non-lawful pain) and ... looks up ... Blasphemy (nasty from wraiths with all their hitdice--hits non-evil). Same effects as Word of Chaos, anyway since a some casters have a lot of caster levels (like Bahamut Clerics), that's instant death

Mining: forgot the spell name (castigate), looked up rebuke and thought I was high when I had liked that suggestion. Has potential (maybe lots of damage if differ from caster on law-chaos and good-evil, half if one same) and some kind of save or status hit (short duration stun). Not spammable if going to do decent damage. Can try messing around with EffectCurse(), but I didn't want a research project. Also, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful is on Crystalkeep, and not too good except as a turn that pile of commoner archers into a little bit of a threat iirc.

Definitely not deity based, unless that deity is Gruuumsh I'll have to read through more thoroughly later, thx for suggestions.

Oh, we have Spell Compendium:

[Rufio]

wow, 20 rounds of stun for no save against all enemies in a colossal area? Might as well make it a no save instant death spell to everything on the map.

Even if it lasted 1 round it would be incredibly powerful. Think clerics spamming it, stunning everyone in sight round after round while the rogues mop up.

[Amoenotep]

haha, non party friendly

[Daral0085]

haha, non party friendly

Still easily abusable, hilariously so. Just have the rogues stay back, cleric goes up solo and stuns everything for 2 turns, then everyone comes in and mobs up. Or if you think that's too easy, have the cleric hellball, and *then* stun everything for 2 turns. 2 turns is more than enough to kill everything with even a small group of allies. If it were 3-4 rds and not party friendly, then it's basically just a stronger version of timestop since the cleric can follow up with spamming implode or other kill spells.

[Rainswept]

Just have the rogues stay back, cleric goes up solo and stuns everything for 2 turns, then everyone comes in and mobs up..

Rogue Archers.

[Amoenotep]

i'd rather have dev crit back instead of tal's version of wof

[Shamedmonkey]

I think we should just make WoF kill everyone on the server except the caster instantly. And give the caster every planer item and level all their lowbies to 40 instantly.

[LunarSquirrel]

How about WoF granting devestating critical to all allies in range then?

[Amoenotep]

sr: yes
save: maybe?

fort>blind
will>stun
ref>kd

how's that for a spell? like a cleric version of thunderclap, except better because lokey hates mages

[Nalrom]

Let's take a roleplay perspective...

For enemies:
Stun makes sense - your enemies are overcome by the words of your God and are dazed by the truth of His words. Stun for 2, maybe even 3 rounds. Will save for sure - only those with the will to fight through the blasphemy can withstand the words of a false God. However, regardless of whether you manage a will save against the spell, I say that enemies should feel some misgivings, knowing that there's a deity that's against them. Auto-receive -1 to saves and skills for 2-3 rounds, same duration as the stun. Suggest that WoF bypass SR - you can't defend yourself against the words of a God - BUT being deaf negates WoF. If you can't hear the truth, you can't be affected by it.

For the caster:
You are stunned in ecstasy at hearing your God speak to you (also: helps prevent spam casting and invites caution into using this, this is a lev 7 spell after all). You're stunned for same amount of time as your enemies plus possibly for 1 more round, automatically. Keep the verbal and somatic components of WoF as is. However - you the caster are deaf? Cool, you can't stun yourself, but you don't get the benefits (see below for explanation) and there's still that 20% chance you'll muck up the verbal component.

For the members in the caster's party and the caster
You take heart in knowing that the Gods above favour your cause. +1 to all saves, for same time as the stun. A god's touch is fleeting. But - if you're deafened, no benefits. Can't hear the words of God, that's too bad.

[Lokey]

Ok, EffectCurse gets applied, but doesn't get around to immune stat drain.

Thinking something like:
- SR = yes, hostile only = yes
- Damage of something like d6/two caster levels no cap, sonic or divine. Maybe keep like a 10% misschance on it.
- If alignment differs on one axis (either same good-evil or law chaos as caster), hit skills by cl/something like 8.
- If alignment differs on both, add will or stun for cl/20 rounds.
- Not spammable, if targeted by it, safe from getting hit by another for like 5 rounds.

Yeah, Great Thunderclap can be improved. Talk about somewhere else.