I'd like Paladin

Adventurer#1337 · Post by **Adventurer#1337** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:05 am

in AO. Will put the builds closer to ma/tc/nc level of performance. Still not there but closer.

frogofpeace · Post by **frogofpeace** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:22 pm

I'd like rogues in NC

Bargeld · Post by **Bargeld** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:43 pm

I'd like rangers for SL.

Post by **LinuxPup** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:39 pm

no. The Paladin nerf was put in because even without jobs, AO has been unfairly powerful, which is why throughout most of the history of NS4, AO has usually been the second most popular faction (LA being the most popular). They need *some* downsides.

Blystos Re · Post by **Blystos Re** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:03 pm

And NC needs *some* rogues.

Daral0085 · Post by **Daral0085** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:05 pm

LinuxPup wrote:no. The Paladin nerf was put in because even without jobs, AO has been unfairly powerful, which is why throughout most of the history of NS4, AO has usually been the second most popular faction (LA being the most popular). They need *some* downsides.

But you thought it was OK to give them wizards back? (channels Adria) I sense a contradiction in search of resolution.

Midterm · Post by **Midterm** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:05 pm

bahamut paladin needs nerf nao

Post by **mining** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:50 pm

Daral0085 wrote:
LinuxPup wrote:no. The Paladin nerf was put in because even without jobs, AO has been unfairly powerful, which is why throughout most of the history of NS4, AO has usually been the second most popular faction (LA being the most popular). They need *some* downsides.
But you thought it was OK to give them wizards back? (channels Adria) I sense a contradiction in search of resolution.

Mostly because the build options it open up are nice, but don't super-power the faction. Wizard in AO opens up every class/race combo on creation except for a handful of domain/race/alignment combos.

In general, its a quality of life change - more options, but not necessarily stronger options and fixes nondwarf/gnome good aligned Wizards.

Shadowalker · Post by **Shadowalker** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:17 am

mining wrote:
Daral0085 wrote:
LinuxPup wrote:no. The Paladin nerf was put in because even without jobs, AO has been unfairly powerful, which is why throughout most of the history of NS4, AO has usually been the second most popular faction (LA being the most popular). They need *some* downsides.
But you thought it was OK to give them wizards back? (channels Adria) I sense a contradiction in search of resolution.
Mostly because the build options it open up are nice, but don't super-power the faction. Wizard in AO opens up every class/race combo on creation except for a handful of domain/race/alignment combos.

In general, its a quality of life change - more options, but not necessarily stronger options and fixes nondwarf/gnome good aligned Wizards.

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Post by **DM Ireheart** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:07 am

Midterm wrote:bahamut paladin needs nerf nao

Ah........nope.

Post by **mining** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:52 am

Changelog entry: Bahamut Paladins nerfed.

*Midterm rushes to Sabar's Sanctum*

Kills a bahamut paladin after a typical long hard battle:

[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] Creature CR: 0
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] You learn nothing from slaying this creature.

Adventurer#1337 · Post by **Adventurer#1337** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:33 am

LinuxPup wrote:no. The Paladin nerf was put in because even without jobs, AO has been unfairly powerful, which is why throughout most of the history of NS4, AO has usually been the second most popular faction (LA being the most popular). They need *some* downsides.

Unfairly powerful... are you talking about relic war? I was more concerned about specific builds, usable for pvm too.
I wasn't there when it was powerful, there was a specific build? What particular build makes it powerful for you now?

Post by **mining** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:28 am

Adventurer#1337 wrote:
LinuxPup wrote:no. The Paladin nerf was put in because even without jobs, AO has been unfairly powerful, which is why throughout most of the history of NS4, AO has usually been the second most popular faction (LA being the most popular). They need *some* downsides.
Unfairly powerful... are you talking about relic war? I was more concerned about specific builds, usable for pvm too.
I wasn't there when it was powerful, there was a specific build? What particular build makes it powerful for you now?

I don't understand how people don't get this. AO gets literally every non-faction specific build outside of, what, paladin and SD?

Yes, its weaker on low population - so are a lot of specifics like heavy support builds and niche builds. Stronger are CoTs, mages and clerics - also single target burst/CC gods like stunners and HiPSer sneaks. Its a cycle, and its AO's weakest point - new players coming in, old players mia, lower population in general.

Post by **VagaStorm** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:40 am

Lol, I'd rely like to pally in ao, but in all fairness, the pally/rdd combo is over the top... Without doing actual calculations, I think your close to 80 ac, 70 ab dragons with damage reduction and saves in the mid 50s or something like that... I rely don't want to fight that thing :p

Tsavong · Post by **Tsavong** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:55 pm

Also AO has slaves how could a paladin live in AO and put up with the slavers.

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