Greatest build of all?

Purgatory973 · Post by **Purgatory973** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:09 pm

i'll duel ya anytime Crimson

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:26 pm

just stay as good multiclass for fighter WM....

monk, rogue, SD... anything that will get u evasion pretty much....

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:35 pm

Purgatory973 wrote:i'll duel ya anytime Crimson

Risen · Post by **Risen** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:55 pm

Thanks Throst.
Unfortunetly (?) I'm already level 5 fighter/10 cleric.

I'll see what I can do with your advise. Cheers.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:03 pm

Risen wrote:Thanks Throst.
Unfortunetly (?) I'm already level 5 fighter/10 cleric.

I'll see what I can do with your advise. Cheers.

well, make sure you take even lvls of fighter.

if you want epic cleric spells/feats take enuff cleric lvls for that.
if u dont want that epic stuff.... take 20 cleric

dump rest in2 rogue.

Blairconz · Post by **Blairconz** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:01 am

Risen wrote:Third Class: Ranger.
Then you can pretend you are an adventurer that idolises/emulates Drizzt.

I'm playing a Fighter/Rogue/Cleric of Mask (Magic + Trickery domains)atm. Not sure of what amount of levels I'm taking, but it will definetly be heavy on the cleric. Maybe 7/8/25??? I don't know. Anyone got any advice?

I was actually seriously considering ranger for two weapon and ambi

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:18 am

TheBestDeception wrote:
Spura wrote:Lol OK let me see if you can kill my RDD. Stoneholds don't work on him. And you obviously are sitting outside the creeping doom so I will walk through them with 50% 10/- in piercing and 20 damage reduction.
Doesnt that leave you rather vulnerable to slashing weapons???

Um ok I don't play NS anymore till I hear about some updates...and how is vulnerability to slash gonna hurt me in duel vs druid? You think you will hit me with scim or something? Bards have pretty high AC and concealment so I don't think I could suffer from that vs a druid. Currently I am playing NS....natural selection HL mod that is lol.

Dracovin · Post by **Dracovin** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:55 pm

Spooky wrote:these builds are damn cooll....but theres 1 more that OWNZZZ melee and can at least stand up for mages...

its paladin/bard/pale master

it's obvious u must change alignment..but final build attributes are:

about 77 (+2-2) ac with divine shield (and carrying a tower shield)
62 ab with max str (u dont need +5 weap,u got holy avenger spell which makes it +5+dispell)
immune to criticals
good saves
bard's song (if u max perform it boosts u +1 ab too)
taunt-discipline-tumble in best numbers

It got the same ab with a fighter/wm/rogue...but more ac+immunity to criticals...dammmnnnnnnnnnn and it got more saves too (dont forget charisma is needed for this build)!

Ok, i'm confused... how did you end up with 77 AC? I can't even figure out how to get it 67, let alone 77.

Dracovin

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:25 pm

Spura wrote:Um ok I don't play NS anymore till I hear about some updates...and how is vulnerability to slash gonna hurt me in duel vs druid? You think you will hit me with scim or something? Bards have pretty high AC and concealment so I don't think I could suffer from that vs a druid. Currently I am playing NS....natural selection HL mod that is lol.

Thats a shame, because I would like to see your surprise when I throw out my bag of tricks against you.

The Druid is undoubtedly the most versatile class there is...he can cast if necessary (buffs, movement-decreasing spells, direct dmg) or shapechange into big mean things with sharp, slashing claws...

Clerics, while having some casting abilities, are usually limited to buffs. Any ability points put into wisdom take away from your ability to fight.

Druids can dump all they want into wisdom for casting...and still have excellent ability scores in their other areas...not to mention throwing in some monk to actually gain AC from the high WIS modifier.

Blairconz · Post by **Blairconz** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:24 pm

The Druid is undoubtedly the most versatile class there is...he can cast if necessary (buffs, movement-decreasing spells, direct dmg) or shapechange into big mean things with sharp, slashing claws...

Clerics, while having some casting abilities, are usually limited to buffs. Any ability points put into wisdom take away from your ability to fight.

Druids can dump all they want into wisdom for casting...and still have excellent ability scores in their other areas...not to mention throwing in some monk to actually gain AC from the high WIS modifier.

Druids dont have heavy armor prof. and their healing isnt as good as a cleric's. Also, how can they have excellent ability scores in other areas?
Ability is assigned equally and clerics dont need good dex, Druids do unless your going to waste a feat on heavy armor prof. And throw in some monk? Yay your slightly better in wildshape, hooray fror you, your wild shape wont be as good as if you just stay druid.

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:03 pm

Blairconz wrote:Druids dont have heavy armor prof. and their healing isnt as good as a cleric's. Also, how can they have excellent ability scores in other areas?
Ability is assigned equally and clerics dont need good dex, Druids do unless your going to waste a feat on heavy armor prof. And throw in some monk? Yay your slightly better in wildshape, hooray fror you, your wild shape wont be as good as if you just stay druid.

If you are a monk, you do not need heavy armor.

My point about the ability scores is that Druids can effectively ignore Dex, Str, and Con to pump WIS and INT. You cast when necessary, then when the enemy is close, you shift (thereby gaining uber-high STR, DEX, CON).

I was not referring to using wildshape, either.

The Hasselhoff · Post by **The Hasselhoff** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:02 pm

I ahve this build that is better than anything any of your n00b primitive low brow intellects could ever comprehend...
But it's a secret! THE SECRET HASSEL BUILD!!!
It will pwn all of you dirty hairy cave ppl intellects!

Risen · Post by **Risen** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:41 pm

*shakes his head at Hassel*

Still with the deluded dreams aye, Hassel?

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:57 pm

Blairconz wrote:Druids dont have heavy armor prof. and their healing isnt as good as a cleric's. Also, how can they have excellent ability scores in other areas?
Ability is assigned equally and clerics dont need good dex, Druids do unless your going to waste a feat on heavy armor prof. And throw in some monk? Yay your slightly better in wildshape, hooray fror you, your wild shape wont be as good as if you just stay druid.

druids have all the same healing spells as clerics...
see, slightly better is in fact a lot better, because when you take all the difernt places u can find to make your build "slightly better" that's when it all adds up....and is more than just slightly...

Zhorn · Post by **Zhorn** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:17 pm

Blairconz wrote: Druids dont have heavy armor prof. and their healing isnt as good as a cleric's. Also, how can they have excellent ability scores in other areas?
Ability is assigned equally and clerics dont need good dex, Druids do unless your going to waste a feat on heavy armor prof. And throw in some monk? Yay your slightly better in wildshape, hooray fror you, your wild shape wont be as good as if you just stay druid.

Taking one level of monk does HEAPS for any Druid who wildshapes. Or uses the level 9 Shapechange spell. Iron Golem Monks or Death Slaadi Monks (with weapon finesse - hihi 42 Dex) kick the stuffing out of things. Shame level 9 Shapechange spell doesn't merge anything but ah well....

Not taking one monk level makes you a mediocre unarmed fighter at best.

Elemental form is also very handy. You can reach pretty high AC's in some of the shapes (i.e. Air) and Crit immunity can be a life saver.