Can I get a Res?

[3lric of M3lnibon3_ns3]

All too often I hear can I get a res? This special power is overly abused.
i believe that allowing everyone to use res scrolls steals some of the thunder from the Cleric, Druid classes and Bard rogue classes (via Use Magic Device). I also think that there should be some kind of limitations to how often these can be used say 10 times a day for preepic characters and 3 times a day for epic characters. This will force better planning for adventures , and/or more people into lower level characters. In the paper and pencil game res is limited to the number of constitution points your character has, so by that standard even a daily limit of 10 or 3 is going too easy.

The problem with the boredom is that everybodys res ing and being res. And the only penalty is lose of gold and xp. If you couldnt play your character for a day after the 3rd res then you might think twice about how many people you have in your party.

And people will want to make more characters when thier favorite one dies for the 4 time.

[Hard Aers_ns3]

I dont think this would be a good route to take, at least not the aspect of limiting it to a certain number of res's/respawns per real life day. That would more than likely prompt people playing other servers because they 'ran outa lives' than into being more carefull.

Now to making easy resurrections less common (scrolls, draco skulls, ect..), this aspect I could agree on. It would certainly make different builds more usefull (ones that utilize the UMD skill) and we'd probly see more clerics walking around.

[DrakhanValane_ns3]

First of all, let me recommend NS4 to you.

In the paper and pencil game res is limited to the number of constitution points your character has, so by that standard even a daily limit of 10 or 3 is going too easy.

Incorrect. In PnP you drop to half-way to the level you were before a raise (unless they use True Ressurection). I.e. if you were level 9, you'd have 32k XP after the raise (Level 8 is 28k and Level 9 is 36k). If you're level 1 when resurrected you lose 2 CON permanently. Once you hit 0 CON you're permanently dead. Otherwise there is no limit to how often you can be raised.

[3lric of M3lnibon3_ns3]

Old school AD&D ....You lose 1 point of con for every res.

[DrakhanValane_ns3]

Old school AD&D ....You lose 1 point of con for every res.

I'm quite familiar with Second Edition rules. I was playing AD&D before 3e came out. NWN is not a Second Edition AD&D game, however.

I was slightly inaccurate with the rule I quoted. I gave the v.3.5 version. In 3.0 it was 1 point of CON if first level, otherwise it's identical to v.3.5.

[Yeti_ns3]

because people travel in parties more and more now a days i rarely see over shout people asking for a res always in party.


If anything remove some of they ways people get res scrolls and wands and such... don't make it take away con or anything that is quite ahrsh but that also could be what is needed.

[RAli_ns3]

The only peoblem with restricting the amount of resing is that there are times when it is not a player error or "poor planning" it can be a lag issue. Or maybe some one else has run/ is running an area and all of the creatures are right right where you enter a zone.

[~CN~ETH0S_ns3]

because people travel in parties more and more now a days i rarely see over shout people asking for a res always in party.

I'm not sure which server you play on, however, on East shout channel is constantly filled with 'GET GEAR NOW' and 'REZ PLEASE'. There are a couple of philosophies behind this.

1. East is a newb server. Our purpose is to help train newbies in the broad aspect of game play. Many of our players eventually make their way to NS 4 or the other servers for a more mature experience. This does not mean to imply that we are ALL newbs however those of us who remain (3leric, myself, and many others) have all pretty much resigned to be helpful agents of the Never Summer experience for people who are new to the mod.

2. Gear please. This shout is way over-used. But, it's something we all genereally live with because of the basic premise of the server. We know that the guy/gal who just recently bought/installed Diamond edition knows nothing about NeverSummer, nor Never Winter Nights in general. (this is because the Diamond edition doesn't have a nice reference manual like the platinum edition). So we resign ourselves to some extent to dealing with the shout. Thankfully, DM's are really good on our mod in dealing with these folks and the shout abuse to some extent, however we have a little more buffer to allow dumb people to shout dumb things.

3. Rez Please. I do agree with 3leric on this issue. Stealing the Clerics thunder. I'm not to sure about that one. Basically if you want NS gear quickly you need to take a Cleric with you. I think many people find out about this first-hand. However, I do think it would be nice, if there were less rez-items, and a restriction of rez scrolls. I personally rarely ever shout for rez's and rarely ask for rez's from my compadres. I just respawn. I believe to enhance the experience, our newbs need to be comfortable with respawning. There isn't that much of a penalty xp-wise, and its only a 10% fee. Money is relatively easy to get, so respawning shouldnt be that big-a-deal. Now I know that if you have gone all the way to Xi-Fu and died, its a real downer to respawn and go all taht way with no reward. But that is just part of the game.

I wouldn't take away the crest sceptor rez ability, since that is a non-dropably DWP item. However, maybe the Draco skulls are a tad bit overused. Instead of a resurection spell, they could be 'raise dead' spell instead. Where you are raised with just one HP. Or limit the use of items.

Just my two cents.

[DrakhanValane_ns3]

Again, if you wanted limited resurrection, go play NS4. :P

[Yeti_ns3]

and now there are plenty more clerics running about especially caster clerics... if you look there clerics everywhere

[Dave blythscum_ns3]

Im sort of on the fence on this one, my attitude is that if im getting my self killed by going some where thats way too hard for me(and i know it is) and im on my own, well thats just my stupid fault and i dont tend to shout for a rez(the shame of it dont tell my mum). But on the other hand if im exploring and its taken me ages to find a new area or to reach somewhere new i will, there is nothing worse than spending hours exploring just to have to start from the begining. I never leave low characters hanging and will go out of my way to help them res if they die, but if they should know better well that's their problem.

on the whole though to stop people shouting for a rez just would stop you getting to know new people, its the best way to get to know people who you just might pass on another day.

As for the get gear issue i tend to only give gear to people who dont ask for it people who ask just piss me off, if you spend time talking to people they tend to offer you stuff once the get to know you, i do at least.

[Baatazu_ns3]

If they made it so people cant shout when they are dead, that would probably stop alot of the problem. This way you can only expect a rez if your ina party.

[mpwp666_ns3]

I like the idea of limiting the amount of res in 3.5 or making the res items limited to clerics or character with UMD.

[DrakhanValane_ns3]

I still think that's what NS4 is for.

[cryodog2_ns3]

i think everyone is getting stuck on the D&D rules. This isnt D&D, its NWN. so why should the same rules apply? every server is different and unique for a reason. the game is based on D&D. that doesnt mean it is bound by all the D&D rules. Like DV said, if you want limited rezes go to NS4.