DM events and the Relic system

[kingfatzo]

I was wondering if one of the DM''s /devs would consider the following:

i noticed this evening as well as a night or two ago, that there were soccer games going on... the first evening it was stated that relics were not to be touched during the event, whereas tonight it was allowed....now i heard that there was another dm event going on this evening previous to the soccer game, but regardless, both are considered DM event....and in my humle opinion should be treated as such regardles of variables.

i have one example below that summs it up: (change around the factions as u like)

the imbalance that this is/was/can create(ing) is/was for example ::: say LA has a 50% bonus and suddenly a DM event is announced...which normally (in the past) has put a halt to all relic capping......now lets say that some of the LA players online could care less about the dm event--- they have a 50% bonus which they just spent a decent ammount of time aquiring !!! ,
now lets say ..all of a sudden , 6 level 30+ RK toons log on...(give the dwarfs some credit) ...the dwarfs dont want to play in the DM event either, because they know people will pick on them for stinking up the arena..., rather, they want to show their strength off: run into NS city and take all of the relics.....BUT wait ! ...they cant because the relics have been put on hold for a DM event in which they may have no interest in , and meanwhile LA is 'immune' to all raiders because of the DM event....now the dwarfs cant do anything about taking awya LA's relic bonus....

now......ask yourself...is this situation fair in any way ?

Fatzo's brilliant solution:

A. During the dm event, turn off the relic system , or the relic bonus ...that way no one gets any special advantage
B. dont restrict raiding during any event.
C. give Every a % bonus so that everyone is equal
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DO NOT SPAM THIS....please, and dont throw in sarcastic comments either .....as i said above, replace the factions in the little blurb above as u see fit, and put yourself in the position of the dwarfs....

ty for the feedback.

[Poet]

When a DM decides that relics will stay where they are for the event it is his/her perogative. They usually announce it and it isnt really ever favoring one faction over another. The DM of the event for the time period you are speaking of specifically said that the 3 hour event was over and that the soccer game was just for fun. Get over it and quit whining because you lost one relic. You weren't even involved in the soccer game but just too lazy or involved in leveling to defend. ;P

Enough said.

[VagaStorm]

I would say sugestion A is probably the best, it seems fair for all. Solution B has the problem that reloging defenders is encuraged, but not posible during an event.

[kingfatzo]

and dont throw in sarcastic comments either

When a DM decides that relics will stay where they are for the event it is his/her perogative. 'wah wah wah, i wanna join tLB !!1!They usually announce it and it isnt really ever favoring one faction over another. The DM of the event for the time period you are speaking of specifically said that the 3 hour event was over and that the soccer game was just for fun. Get over it and quit whining because i wanna join tLB !!1!....you lost one relic. You weren't even involved in the soccer game but just too lazy or involved in leveling to defend. ;P

Enough said.

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i am trying to stay on topic here, not talking about one specific event, or about how i am fat and lazy...yes this was sparked by one specific event, but that is not the issue here....look at the big picture........was my little hypothetical situation unclear somewhere ? ...seriously, put yourself in the position of the dwarfs as i mentioned above--- LA has all the relics, u dont want to play soccer or participate in whatever else might b going on and all the slaves and dcn are logged on and u outnumber all the la defenders 2 to 1 and -- oh wait --u cant raid because an event is going on..... its rather simple and will have no negative effect on anyone.

----i brought this up because in 2 nights , 2 totally different regulations were put in place...and previous to this , from what i have observed on multiple occasions, the no raiding policy was the case......im just pushing a passive solution to this issue here ....or is it just me who is bothered by this ?

[Amoenotep]

the relic games and dm events are completely at the mercy of the dm in charge of such. if a dm is running a very involved event they sometimes don't need ppl popping in and out half way thru the quest. its easier to announce relics are off.


simpler solutions may be to just reset the relics to their own cradles for such events, that way everyone has the same advantage.

[kingfatzo]

simpler solutions may be to just reset the relics to their own cradles for such events, that way everyone has the same advantage.

....or disable the bonus and re-enable it when the event is over, that way if AO went nuts gatehring relics earlier in the day, they dont have to do it all over again... (it may sound easier than i think it is to implement...i wouldnt know )

[Thorac]

i must say i agree with Amoenotep that just resetting the relics would be best. Maybe at the begining of the event would be best as the Factions that have the relics most of the time can get them again easyly enough again or try get them after the event is finished, whats a couple hours without a bonus most of us dont ever see a bonus anyways .

[Alkapwn]

I welcome the breaks wether or not who's got the relics. Nobody should be called away from a fun DM event to defend their Relics especially on a full server. NS is supposed to be fun . Relic Raiding is Fun but a DM puts his own time in to host these events and shouldn't have to worry about people dropping out of his event cause he/she is fufilling their sworn Guild duties , they got enough to deal with watchin 10 hooligans running around the turf.

[Nemesis Revised]

let relic raids happen while dm events happen. its a spontaneous world. why freeze the relics? let other factions sneak up on whoever has the relics while their players are having fun playing football or whatever. its reality.

so what if they take the relics. whoever had the big 50% is probly much capable of getting them back anyway. so ppl think recapturing their lost relic is time consuming? then don't keep relics in the first place if you cant be responsible for it.

[Lorkar1]

Do people stop committing crimes when the superbowl, world series or world cup is occurring? No, some people actually will commit more crimes because the general populace is otherwise distracted as well as law enforcement. I am not saying relic raiding is a criminal enterprise, unless it happens to be your relic being stolen. But one can relate to the analogy. I say let the relics be open game for those not interested in the DM event.

[MLoki]

Do people stop committing crimes when the superbowl, world series or world cup is occurring? No, some people actually will commit more crimes because the general populace is otherwise distracted as well as law enforcement. I am not saying relic raiding is a criminal enterprise, unless it happens to be your relic being stolen. But one can relate to the analogy. I say let the relics be open game for those not interested in the DM event.

Do you really want the defenders of Aetheria logging off to defend thier relics instead of defending avendel during an event? Just like you wouldn't want all the security at the superbowl running off to catch the bank robbers down the street. Because we can only play one toon at a time (tLb excluded) we have to log between characters that are in an event to the characters that can defend the cradle. I have no problem with relics being reset after an event if it keeps people from disrupting the event while it is taking place. I don't feel that the DMs deserve to have thier event ruined due to the players logging out to take care of some relic raiders. If somebody raids during an event I usually ask the DM in charge of the event if we can get a relic reset after the event or if they mind me logging off if someone raids.

MLoki

[Binkyuk]

well, it's not like the Dwarves actually lose anything in this situation. If they know an event is going on and the relics are locked, then they don't have to put the effort into raiding. All they lose is the opportunity to raid, which isn't really all that much.

Allowing raids while defenders are locked into DM events makes the defenders lose the opportunity to defend (an equivelant loss in my opinion), or worse, if they do choose to defend can wreck a DM event, which isn't fair on them or the hard working DM. Knowing that they don't need to defend allows them to enjoy the event more, which benefits them and the DM.

Seems to me the balance of loss and gain is served more by the current situation than by B.

A and C are pretty much equivelant. C will be easier for players to stomach, and A could actually cause players to resent DM events, which would be bad. OTOH C could actually make people less keen to participate in DM events 'cos they know they can level faster while it's going on, which would also be bad.

However, both A and C are only 'temporary' fixes to your situation above anyway. The dwarves still can't take the relic, and once the event is over they will be in the same situation as before, and they will still have 'lost' the opportunity to get the relics while they had the advantage.

For this reason I think that your proposal doesn't really solve the problem you're posing, it only alleviates it slightly, so for the effort of the change isn't really worth it.

[Zing]

If anyone logged out of a Soccer match I was hosting to defend a relic I would exclude that player from the rest of that match AND reset the relics immediately - they'd proabbly have trouble getting into the next match or 500 I held also.

They are just relics. It is just an xp bonus. You had fun grabbing them the first time, guess what you can have fun getting them again later.

Personally, I wouldn't call a 'freeze' on relic raiding for any reason, NS4 is a land of oppurtunity at times after all.

What next? Freeze all of the relics while you sleep, just in case someone steals them while you're away?

Running out in the middle of an event ruins that event for everyone.

I'm sure there are a few people who will read this and say - Humpffff, I'm not playing events any more - oh well your loss - you know the problem would be better solved if EVERYONE got involved in the event.

You can always, always go powerlevel your munchkins later.

[Nemesis Revised]

well put

[Celorn]

I think the main issue here is CONSISTENCY.

There should be ONE WAY that ALL DMs have agreed upon to handle it and everyone do it, you know good parenting requires that the children have a consistent structure to their life boundries...