Balance Suggestions

[EvilIguana966]

BTW, I'm making this red since Alexia obviously hasnt read anything i've said in the other posts and red things tend to attract sorcerors.

Limiting the armor choices of casters is the first and easiest option. Make 2 sets of gear: for casters with caster stats / for melee with melee stats. But what if Mr sorceror takes 1 level of monk you say? Very simple. With the custom level restrictions they can script it to check what class levels you have. So an item marked only for melee classes would require you have as many levels of those classes. a 39 sorc / 1 fighter could wear caster gear up to rec level 39, but could wear melee gear only up to level 1 restrictions. Making it pointless to do the cheesy 1 lvl pally. Also: pally and CoT are both restricted to NC, so no arcane casters but BARDs can multiclass to them. so NYAH!

They have said in the past they can make items which require certain level of purity. The "Holy Avenger +Eleventy Seven with Kung Fu Grip" will be usable by high level paladins.... not by high level fighters with 1 level of paladin.

[Gil-Este]

I think someone in LA can be a pally...its not exclusive to NC. i don't think taking away sorc armor resists solves much of the problem. basically if you do that its even more of a whoever draws first wins kind of scenario. if i can get close enough with my fighter to deal the sorc damage i'll slice through them like butter cuz they don't have any resists, while if they can get off a spell or two before i close then i'm dead. i know its already somewhat like this but making the sorc depend ENTIRELY on a quick offense just makes it more of that kind of situation.

[Alexiagold]

BTW, I'm making this red since Alexia obviously hasnt read anything i've said in the other posts and red things tend to attract sorcerors.

Given your tone I shall respond in kind, maybe if you learned to read you would realize I already addressed this with

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Physical resistances and immunities just on melee class armor and monk/rogue robes


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Less physical immune/resist on mage/cleric armor



Won't work, because I can take 20 levels of fighter and 20 levels of sorc, or better yet 20 levels of paladin.

[EvilIguana966]

I retract my statement then. You did read it, you've just been mentally incapable of forming an accurate conclusion from the given data.

I hope that clears things up

[Gil-Este]

yes, it certainly cleared things up. i think we all can make a well informed opinion of EvilIguana now. j/k

[Alexiagold]

Impliment the rest restrictions. Alexia's arguements against it are null and void somewhat because casters have the ability to scribe and create potions now. Which just so happens to coincide with Alexia's idea to make it harder for casters to level by costing xp to make scrolls and potions.

Yea I'm going to scribe a scroll costing me around 200 exp to get a level 5 spell, only so use 4 in one fight to gain 200 exp. That's called negative leveling. Oh wait you want to "balance" the exp cost such that what, 1 scroll costs just below the expected exp gain thus slowing leveling? (and trust me the teduim to balance the scroll cost would be more work than creating all of NS4, because each and every spell would need a "balanced" cost in exp and as you put it, casting timer delay) How is this not simply more tedious, same goes for your timer idea. Both result in tedium, not in balance at all. As far as balance goes, all you did was encourace multitasking, you didn't limit my damage, my powers. You encouraged me to exp whore by exploit, you encouraged me to go afk for 3 of every 5 game minutes. You made the game incredibly tedious. You make me (a lazy sorc) walk back to town to make more scrolls. But why would I make any scrolls if they cost more exp than they gain? And if the don't cost more exp than they gain, well then why bother resting, I can just use scrolls for eternity, and never rest. Best thing is, I can now as a sorc have every single spell, because I can simply make them. Further with rest restrictions it will take me a year and a day just to make the scrolls, because I have to have spells to cast to create a scroll. Either way you're at a loss from what I can see to ever make a scroll scribing system work, because some spells simply are not worth scribing, or casting if you are limited on spells per day. Basically the first things to go are buffs for others, because lets face it, I lose exp if I buff you, either in having less spells to cast (and earn exp with) per cycle or having to make a scroll. You know what, lets do your system, because then I know without a doubt every singly person I encounter will NOT have death immuniy, because NO ONE will use thier exp to buff your party every single rest cycle.

[Alexiagold]

I retract my statement then. You did read it, you've just been mentally incapable of forming an accurate conclusion from the given data.

I hope that clears things up

Ok so basically you are AE? You decide that rather than address why or how I'm incorrect in concluding that I can make a 20/sorc/20 paladin, you'll just attack me as a person. Yea I've got a bunch of posts I can ignore now I guess. I'm glad that basically when you whiners are proven wrong you resort to ad hominin attacks rather than try and debate or argue. Why am I glad? Because it means I'm right, and the Devs will know it, when your best response is

You did read it, you've just been mentally incapable of forming an accurate conclusion from the given data.

Lemme try a language all people your age seem to be fluent in, GG NO RE I OWNZ J00

[JesterOI]

You're giving Iguana crap about being like AE yet you go off and respond to my suggestion like you did? You're a damned hypocrite.

If you would pull your head out of your [censored] for a moment and used any scrape of common sense you would know that when I said to re-evaluate xp costs on scroll/potion it meant that they should have their xp costs REDUCED. As to how much? The devs would have the best idea.

Also stop being a dumbass and jumping to conclusions, half the crap you just spewed out of your filthy sewer is all speculation. Use some wisdom and realize that if the devs do decide to try this system (why shouldn't they? this is beta after all) they sure as hell wouldn't be making any retarded decisions like that crap you were heaving about, give them credit.

And to be constructive, unlike you, Alexia, I will now make the suggestion to add an option to scribe more than 10 scrolls at a time. Or, maybe let wands be imbued with a certain amount of charges over 10 (unless you can already get good ones from the arcane tradeskill).

[TGPO]

This thread is starting to turn into a flame-a-thon. There are some good points being made on both sides if one digs through the childishness, which is the only reason its not being locked right now.

Lets knock off the name calling and work on being productive, even if you disagree with the other party. Otherwise the thread will get locked and we will move on from there.

[EvilIguana966]

The point is that assuming good items require higher than level 20 you will still be making a trade off if you go 20/20. You CANNOT get auto still spell or any other epic caster feats leveling a fighter. If you did it correctly you might be able to meet the prequisites for the epic feats at low level then level the fighter THEN take the epic casting feats you want. Of course since your caster level isn't increasing you'll have a hard time beating SR checks because you want to use high level fighter armor. Not to mention how much harder it would be to level up like that. Hence, the restrictions have done their jobs.

[Æ]

Who's paying ten bucks a month?

Besides, I payed my $200 to Neversummer over a year ago when they collected donations

And I keep changing my mind because my friends ask me to, and 2 DMs invited me to........ and guess what, I have alot more friends here than people who dislike me... I'm not going to leave because of the ignorant jerks, if they don't like me, they're welcome to leave instead... the funniest part is if any of you shortsighted children took the time to find out, you'd discover that I am in fact one of the kindest and most generous people you could know.... to those who stay on my good side.

Ask around... ask how many neversummer players I've helped get started or had contests giving out all my hard-earned gear as a player to other players, simply out of generosity... how many I've given information to or offered advice, how many have talked to me about their PERSONAL problems in life and had me be there for them, even though it's just through a video game.... How many? At least I handred or two, possibly more. Find out who I really am, and who it is youre bashing, and every one of you will feel like a lesser person than me for not showing such a kind hearted person the respect he deserves.

[JesterOI]

Where'd that come from?

[Æ]

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[JesterOI]

No.

[Alexiagold]

I'm sorry jester if you feel I went to far, given that I already addressed your idea at least twice now, this is simply the third + time.

Your comment

If you would pull your head out of your [censored] for a moment and used any scrape of common sense you would know that when I said to re-evaluate xp costs on scroll/potion it meant that they should have their xp costs REDUCED. As to how much? The devs would have the best idea.

My most recent addressing of this:

Oh wait you want to "balance" the exp cost such that what, 1 scroll costs just below the expected exp gain thus slowing leveling? (and trust me the teduim to balance the scroll cost would be more work than creating all of NS4, because each and every spell would need a "balanced" cost in exp and as you put it, casting timer delay)

But why would I make any scrolls if they cost more exp than they gain? And if the don't cost more exp than they gain, well then why bother resting, I can just use scrolls for eternity, and never rest. Best thing is, I can now as a sorc have every single spell, because I can simply make them. Further with rest restrictions it will take me a year and a day just to make the scrolls, because I have to have spells to cast to create a scroll.

Basically the first things to go are buffs for others, because lets face it, I lose exp if I buff you, either in having less spells to cast (and earn exp with) per cycle or having to make a scroll.

And I said

You know what, lets do your system, because then I know without a doubt every singly person I encounter will NOT have death immuniy, because NO ONE will use thier exp to buff your party every single rest cycle.

because its ironic that the very thing that people complain most about, death magic, would be more effective with your system, because of less buffs.

Also another porblem is as currently done, scrolls have the DC of 10+level, not 10+level +attribute + feats, which means scrolls really suck for casters, true casters. Especially a caster who spent 3-5 feats in a spell to make its DC higher, or even all thier epic feats to make the DCs higher.