some ECL's seem out of whack?

[DragonLance]

Hello all, just an observation, and my opinion.

While looking through the subraces available on the server via the wiki some of the ECl's dont remotely seem close to the mark.

Basically im aware of some recent talk about ecl 3 instead of 2 for earth genasi. Something is messed up here.

even simply among the genasi all ECL 2, the earth gensai has by far the best (most used/handy) sub race abilities and powers yet they all get ECL 2. Also the Earth Genasi ability scales with your lvl but from what i read Fire, Air and Water ones get stuck with a lvl 5 flamelash, slow, gust of wind which would be rather useless after say lvl 20? Hey i may be wrong is there plans for scaling of the other Genasi abilities in the future?

Moving on to Kender ECL 1 same as a Half-Ogre for what reason, the immunity to fear that by all reports dosent work correctly? - anyone can have by choosing paladin along with awesome saves etc? Kender should be ECL 0 or 0.5 lol when compared to earth genasi or Duergar that get Immunity to poisons, Paralysis, AND illusions + they get invis, improved at Lvl 10.

and i mean i realise that certain subraces make better mages or fighters etc but at the core of it all the ECL's of a few - not all, seem out of kilt when we look at them all together.

maybe i havent expressed it the best but can anyone see my point? a few of the subraces are kinda ripped of on the ECl while others are recieving less penalty than they should.

Well feel free to agree or disagree at your leisure guys, just my opinion im putting out there

[-BannyD-]

i cant say about the water or air...but the fire genasi's ability does scale with your level. at lvl 40 ive seen it do 150+ to someone who doesnt save, even more to something thats vulnerable to fire (undead woo). you also get to use it 3times per day...the only reason i dont use it more, is because i forget about it.

[DragonLance]

ah ok cool seems some of the games documentation and what not is not up to date, my mistake and apologies for that.

[DragonLance]

ok went over the wiki for NS4 again and your 100% correct, fire Genasi Flame lash scales.

Sadly water and iar it says are stuck at 5th lvl , is this correct or the wiki for these two hasnt been updated. Seems strange the earth and fire would scale but the air an water wouldnt ??

Thanks again

[MasterYoda]

The others do scale as well i believe.

Kromix built a air gen mage. His gust of wind DC was pretty good to where he could kd people and run with the relic.

Also there are charateristics for each sub race that presents the downfall.

Kender:

I have on e.... and yeah ECL 1 is needed. This is 1 of the 2 classes to allow you to get the started +2 cha for a sorc without havinbg to go ECL 3.

Also it diesnt give you the standard Favored class bonous but you do get all the bonouses that halflings get as racial abilities.

Had this been a Human class it would gain the benefit of the bonous feat and still reap the feel of a ecl 1.

Earth Gen :

Sucks on a dex build. Not that bad but is definatly un bard / dexer friendly. Also being meant for a fighter with it as its favored class your leveling will be hard as is and there for is warented the +2ecl.

Earth gen also donenst really get uber till 40 since at level 30 when you get the + 6 weapons IIRC it eats through the RD pretty easily.

Not to mention being earth gen makes plane of Earth a cake walk

now in comparison to lets use a ecl 3 ... best one in my oppinion.

Gith.

U get the added ac bonous earth gen gives you at 40 at level 1.

u get 9 nat with earth gen but only 4 stacks wiht the +5 nat ammy everyone is weatring.

+2 dex, +2 wis ....-2 int .... whoopie.

SR to 45 ..... oh yeha and Weapon finess which really really compliments this build.

This is a very warented ECL3 .... prob the only one worth being ECL 3 in my oppinion since others have major downfalls.

The ecls all have downfalls. What you are running into are people who have good builds. Some of which have been here for years who now have it down pat .... or others in a big guild with a so called Trademarked build where your getting pwned.

Also ther wiz / WM is pretty popular now so it might not be earth gen .... it could be something else.

[Mr. O'Dearly]

Try checking through the change log. I think most of the genasi's got boosts around the same time.

[Amoenotep]

i'm starting to think neutral is a build all in itself....maybe we should make being neutral ecl2

[Aarkon Draco]

i'm starting to think neutral is a build all in itself....maybe we should make being neutral ecl2

aww think about all thoes helpless PMs they wouldent know what to do ;P

[LinuxPup]

Speak for yourself... my pale master is evil and likes it that way.

[SkotG]

Hey, The Silver Striders are trying to corner the market on Neutral...

[P. Fricebottle]

Kender's ECL of 1 is hardly noticeable if you've ever played an ECL 2 or 3, its the only one and relatively small and easy to live with. Would be nice to finally get the Immunity: Fear to work though.

Its been agreed among many for a long time that there must be something done about the Earth Genasi, from bumping up their ECL to 3 to the Nerf Sledgehammer.

I can't give a personal view on Earth Genasi, but rather merely an outside opinion. Same on nearly everything else for that matter, if its not a Halfling then most likely I didn't play it before -BB- moved to RK. Duergar ECL I never had a problem with, and I used to hear complaints about ECL 3 Deep Gnome but not much of them anymore.

[LinuxPup]

I think the thing is, there's a big difference between a race ability that has duration and one that doesn't.

In other words, fire gen ability vs. tiefling darkness, or air gen's gust of wind vs. aasimar's aura. People tend to prefer abilities that last a long time.

Perhaps infinite uses a day on fire/air/water/githyanki token, but with a gap of time between use? Like 2 minutes or so...

EDIT: Also, have the timer reset at rest.

[Merrip]

Well I have practiced recently in the past week with Aasimar and non Aasimar LG Human, and I noticed the XP changed with ECL difference.

[Lorkar1]

I personally have no problems making Earth Gen ECL 3 just give them SR then.
No SR=No ECL 3.

[P. Fricebottle]

I personally have no problems making Earth Gen ECL 3 just give them SR then.
No SR=No ECL 3.

You don't really grasp the concept of how awesome Earth Genasi are (PvP-wise anyway) do you?