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Post by de_slider »

Last evening I had an interesting tell: "Hey, what exploit do you guys use to get so many epic defenders."
Of course my reply was: "non"
Then from the same person: "That's not what I heard. The reason I asked was because we never get defenders in our *place*"

I very much believe that is exactly what you "head". Keep in mind that there are some players that have dim view of life in NS4 that goes something like this: "I have never seen that many defenders in our place so **they** have to be using exploits."

I stayed rather polite and matter-of-fact while in tell with this individual. However, I am now willing reveal to all exactly how the exploit works so that all can have as many epic defender as we get in Sleeth (AO Faction). I will give fair warning. Be very careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

So here we go:
First; get Zing to take every other faction's relic cradle out of the nice little temples, building or caves. Have him set it in the middle of town. So that when you get raided the attackers can take out guards at their leisure because the guards epic or otherwise are so spread out and are not crowded into a tight little area, like a small chamber, cave or room. Plus you have the added feature of them being so spread out and if you know what your doing, you can kill them off without getting swarmed. Not only that, with your cradle sitting in the middle of town there would be no more small and tight camp spots that can be jammed with multiple summons and spammed with all kinds of area effect spells to nail attackers.
Second; get Zing to take away all your jobs so that your character's have no boost to skills or stats advantage over any character coming out of Sleeth. You would be "just like us".
Third have Zing set up the teleport penalty the same as it is in Sleeth. Where, if your defending character(s) are parked within a 2 zone radius of the cradle they stand an extremely good chance of getting ported way out of town, slowed and in a fight just to get back to defend. Now the two zone area would include just about anyplace you stay inside the city, all bind points, shops, inns, temples, guild hall and the next zone over in any direction like our Dragon's eye, the Ancient Gate, the Feeding Grounds and the Slave Pits. So in order to park safely you have to be well outside the city. Oh and don't forget what happens to you guild mules if you happen to log in during a raid. Long walk back to safety with a level 1 slow moving pc.

And there you have it. Get all those conditions set and you too will have a ton of epic guards... sometimes.. and that's the -Slave- exploit. Straight up and straight forward.
Just think of the odds of spawning many epic defends with the cradle sitting in the middle of your own town. Every time you go in and out of a shop, temple, guild hall, the city itself, bind points etc, you respawn the zone. Unlike those poor poor factions that have their cradle inside a temple, cave, or room where the spawn gets triggered only when someone enters the area and where you have a mess of choke points that can be used to your advantage when you defend.

Now if our great exploit in Sleeth is not to your liking and your able to read, I suggest you have a look at a thread just 9 or 10 down from this one. Or use this handy shortcut to it
http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewtopic.php?t=7837
and read what has been said, what was explained by Zing himself.

Just in closing. Feel absolutely free to demand from Zing the exact same conditions that are in Sleeth so that your faction too can exploit away to get more than 1 epic defender. In fact and speaking for every member of the Ancient Ones WE demand that you Demand that Zing set the same conditions in your own faction as described above so you too can have all those wonderful epic defenders. We really don't like it when we have such a great advantage over you. :twisted:
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Post by xxRevelxx »

Oops, you forgot to have them ask for this as well
BannyD wrote:the epic defenders often get sidetracked by rats and get dragged all across the map, making them easy to avoid until you want to fight them.
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Post by Alkapwn »

ahh comon slider dont pick on Zing :(
It 's all true though :evil:
Somedays I can't even find rats without bumping into about 10 of those guys
Definitely not an exploit though just game mechanics that work kinda in our favour i guess? I remember one time when there was a raid there were like 15 or so and still toons were plucking relics from the cradle. They mostly get in the way more than anything. At least 3 times i've harmed them by accident chasing those PM's around. It's great when all of a sudden you lose faction to a near death epicdefender and alls you can do is run away to save faction status <sarcasim>.
But don't complain to much are you may disappear of the face of planet like 2 of my good friends once did :(
btw : not complaining just commenting :)
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Post by Blystos Re »

What can I say?
Paranoia runs deep and some people have too much time on their hands.

I don't really understand their beef with it...It's not like your defender's Smite Good works on Pale Masters anyway... :lol: My only request was to make them only spawn where I could actually reach them. Man, those guys take a long time to kill when they're up on a wall... :wink:
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Post by xxRevelxx »

Blystos Re wrote:What can I say?
Paranoia runs deep and some people have too much time on their hands.
It's not paranoia, de_slider is just saying how it is, and how it can be for the rest of the factions.
de_slider wrote:Feel absolutely free to demand from Zing the exact same conditions that are in Sleeth so that your faction too can exploit away to get more than 1 epic defender. In fact and speaking for every member of the Ancient Ones WE demand that you Demand that Zing set the same conditions in your own faction as described above so you too can have all those wonderful epic defenders. We really don't like it when we have such a great advantage over you.
I couldn't have said it any better myself :D
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Post by Apokriphos »

Lol.

The actual trick I've seen -Slaves- use takes much less words to write down.

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1). Slave A pk's Slave B in their cradle zone.
2). Slave A zones out, and Slave B relogs.
3-infinity). Slave B relogs.
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Bravo, you now have infinity-3 epic relic defenders. Congrats for you!

I sent some screenshots of this to Amon a while back, but haven't heard anything since. Who knows if its legal, but it certainly is unfair.

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Post by Blystos Re »

xxRevelxx wrote: It's not paranoia, de_slider is just saying how it is, and how it can be for the rest of the factions.
I wasn't calling de paranoid... :wink:

In any case, if an alleged "exploit" has been reported to the support team, then it'll be dealt with. Plain and simple.

I'm no pro at scripting, but getting defenders to spawn on a dead player relog would be something that, in my opinion, would have to be pretty specifically called for... :? Could you explain how this would work, Apokriphos?
frogofpeace wrote:And we like to think of the FoN guildhall as cozy - perfect for cuddling up in our snuggies with a hot toddy after a long day of smiting.

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Post by -BannyD- »

Apokriphos wrote:Lol.

The actual trick I've seen -Slaves- use takes much less words to write down.

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1). Slave A pk's Slave B in their cradle zone.
2). Slave A zones out, and Slave B relogs.
3-infinity). Slave B relogs.
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Bravo, you now have infinity-3 epic relic defenders. Congrats for you!

I sent some screenshots of this to Amon a while back, but haven't heard anything since. Who knows if its legal, but it certainly is unfair.
oh yea? then send the screenshots to me. or else im just gonna call this bs.

its one thing to start rumors in game...its another to do so on the forums. i take this highly offensively and if you cannot even remotely prove such a falsity no one will take you seriously or show you any respect.

the only reason I can give for larger amounts of epic defenders in AO is the same reason Zing gave...the script fires in a heavily traversed/trafficy area.

in single raids verse overwhelming odds, one will notice an increase in the amount of epic defenders if they choose to return to the area over and over and over again...as I did whilst trying to best Cookiemunster and 3epic TC defenders...which soon turned into Cookiemunster +13defenders.

As stinger said...we have our epic defenders, everyone else has their much more strategic position.
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Post by Nefarious »

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1). Slave A pk's Slave B in their cradle zone.
2). Slave A zones out, and Slave B relogs.
3-infinity). Slave B relogs.
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Really? wow we have so much time to do the above and we have so many relics in which to protect. Imaginations are a beautiful thing but we are barley in Sleeth because we like to lvl our characters. Relics are good but not 1st on our priorty list. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Amoenotep »

this is going no where fast...i'm locking it.


and FYI, some of us are looking into things that will make most of you guys even more mad, so...Happy Days!
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