AA Death Arrow

[Bargeld]

Like crazy sed, I'm going from my perspective on this. We got a big ole PvP war going on last night, and then a couple party members are saying DC 50, DC 53 death arrow. I'm running around on my archer assassin getting beat down trying to sneak in and pick off a vulnerable target in our own cradle room. Yet an arcane archer is gettin more insta kills than me (because of all the circumstances required for an assassination).

I thought I might mention it.

[Amoenotep]

if your letting them rest in your cradle room thats your fault..its still 1/day


and the dc is 50 max no matter what the dc in the log says..it says funny things from spellcraft checks

[Bargeld]

if your letting them rest in your cradle room thats your fault..

If multi-boxing was actually enforced and not jusy blanketly shouted, I would agree with you. But that is a different thread for another day...

Gratz to the AA's out there, I may soon join your ranks.

[Daltian]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind too much if assassin was nerfed so much it couldn't kill a Goblin Firestarter with his poison, thats how much this affects me. But I do see Bargelds point. Assassin needs so many conditions to be right even to be able to use his poison, while AA gets to shoot an arrow once a day whenever he chooses and at any range.

[Amoenotep]

and yet his death attack is more than 1/day...and if things go right he can paralyze them for virtually ever.



what are we even talking about though....AA's have always been able to kill you with a single shot, its just now they actually have a chance to kill something higher than lvl 5

[Bargeld]

can laufer have a DC 50 quivering palm? pretty please

i got 30 monk!

[Amoenotep]

wait..i thought you were just saying that assassins should be the only ones with any kind of death attack...now you want something special for being a monk?

if you really wanted a super high dc quivering you could...that'd be all you had. just like if you wanted a really high dc death arrow..thats all you'd have. or a really high death attack with assy.. i still don't think you even knwo what your complaining about anymore.


i'm going to kill your assassin with my harper scout....if you die to harper that just means your build sucks.

[Cluster]

The DC in the log is not the DC of the AA death arrow. An attempt was made to negate the spellcraft that is applied to the save from the death arrow in order to make it a natural fort save vs death instead of a save vs death spells. Your spellcraft is getting counted in your save, but your spellcraft is also being applied to the DC in order to negate it. I would assume this would be because of an issue in removing spellcraft from the check to begin with.

So, you have 15 + AA level and a +5 bonus for a gimped AA. So at most your going to see 44 DC. If you have a 40 natural fort with a 40 spellcraft thats a 48 fort vs a 52 DC. That is where the 50+ DCs are coming from.

[Bargeld]

i still don't think you even knwo what your complaining about anymore.

that's because I stopped complaining many posts ago and started having fun with it... i conceded once you stated that it wasn't changing.

i'm going to kill your assassin with my harper scout....if you die to harper that just means your build sucks.

I can't wait

[Lokey]

You could have dc 1000 QP and you couldn't kill level 40 with it.

Anyway, Linux has a hack around, so you won't see scary high dc if you have a bunch of spellcraft anymore. You're still going to die though

[Lorkar]

and yet his death attack is more than 1/day...and if things go right he can paralyze them for virtually ever.



what are we even talking about though....AA's have always been able to kill you with a single shot, its just now they actually have a chance to kill something higher than lvl 5

You say if things go right an assassin can paralyze them virtually forever...
And what about the rule about paralyzing them and leaving them...oh right, you can't do that because it is called harassment. So much for that idea...awwww nutz.

[cRaZy8or5e]

wait..i thought you were just saying that assassins should be the only ones with any kind of death attack...now you want something special for being a monk?

if you really wanted a super high dc quivering you could...that'd be all you had. just like if you wanted a really high dc death arrow..thats all you'd have. or a really high death attack with assy.. i still don't think you even knwo what your complaining about anymore.


i'm going to kill your assassin with my harper scout....if you die to harper that just means your build sucks.

Bah humbug! harper's make good cheese!

[weasel423]

One point everyone is forgetting here, Assassin is our FACTION SPECIFIC PRESTIGE CLASS. AA can be taken by other factions. All the other faction specific prestige classes have lots of abilities other classes can't get, but by making the AA death arrow DC that high sort of makes our special prestige class not even worth taking.

Think about it this way:
How many RDD's are there in AO that are presently being played in PVP? COT's in the NC? Pale masters in MA? Shifters in TC? Quite a few for all of these.... and why, because those prestige classes offer very nice abilities you can't get with other classes.

How many Assassins do we run in the SL presently? hmmmm... maybe because our unique prestige class sux and you can get MOST of the abilities from other classes (and the ones you can't are not really that effective in mass PVP... maybe in 1 on 1 pvp)

Maybe, instead of lowering the AA stats back to a reasonable number, lets jack up the stats on the Assassin so we actually think about including it in some of our builds? As it stands now, I have not even thought about making an assassin because they SUCK compared to the unique prestige classes of the other factions and would get OWNED in mass pvp

[Tal]

I do have to admit... monk's quivering palm and AA death arrow makes an assassin look like a wet noodle. The assassins are a poorly designed prc with a lot of potential if some changes can be made. I don't know what is hard coded within the prc, but that is one class that needs a LOT of love to make it even remotely comparable to other prc's.

[cRaZy8or5e]

No spellcraft check on this death arrow. I knew I'd seen this happen already, but I didn't screenie it the first time and thought I was crazy. Then in subsequent death arrow attacks the spellcraft check was included. But here it happened again, in 5 deaths now, 2 were positively without spellcraft checks, two were legit according to how its supposed to work, and one I didnt' even check.


By crazy8or5e at 2009-07-10