camping

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:11 pm

when doing an area take over WICH are legal, and shouted for a toll of free passage... i have done this many times and also there has been DMs involved... DM yonwe was in one.. and DM chase was in other...

* If the PK stays put (same general area) and the PK'd keeps running back, then its the PK'd and not the PK'r who is at fault. -TGPO

they are coming back to get pked... is not us taking over harassing... they could pay the toll of free passage, but most do not want to... there are many places to level...

* If the looser actively hunts the winner of said match and looses again its on the losers head. -TGPO

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:31 pm

Kromix wrote: * If the PK stays put (same general area) and the PK'd keeps running back, then its the PK'd and not the PK'r who is at fault. -TGPO

they are coming back to get pked... is not us taking over harassing... they could pay the toll of free passage, but most do not want to... there are many places to level...

To an extent.

If someone camped Haddon Mirk, it would be silly for a player to come across them thrice. However, if a well travelled area is camped, that can raise some issues. For instance, taking over a town and killing all within it is not legal, since lowbies have nowhere else to go. It destroys their ability to play.

Kromix wrote: * If the looser actively hunts the winner of said match and looses again its on the losers head. -TGPO

This is always the case. However, this is different from the above case, in that passing by a point is not done so for the purpose of "actively hunting". If it were not different, it wouldnt have been stated separately.

Thirdly,

KST_HAVOK wrote:#3) also were kinda a good guy guild so please follow all rules and dont be any kind of a ......... well you get the pic.

Why were you killing people, anyways?

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:37 pm

TheBestDeception wrote:
Kromix wrote: * If the PK stays put (same general area) and the PK'd keeps running back, then its the PK'd and not the PK'r who is at fault. -TGPO

they are coming back to get pked... is not us taking over harassing... they could pay the toll of free passage, but most do not want to... there are many places to level...
To an extent.

If someone camped Haddon Mirk, it would be silly for a player to come across them thrice. However, if a well travelled area is camped, that can raise some issues. For instance, taking over a town and killing all within it is not legal, since lowbies have nowhere else to go. It destroys their ability to play.
Kromix wrote: * If the looser actively hunts the winner of said match and looses again its on the losers head. -TGPO
This is always the case. However, this is different from the above case, in that passing by a point is not done so for the purpose of "actively hunting". If it were not different, it wouldnt have been stated separately.

Thirdly,
KST_HAVOK wrote:#3) also were kinda a good guy guild so please follow all rules and dont be any kind of a ......... well you get the pic.
Why were you killing people, anyways?

Dark forest/oger pass is the place there are ways arround that and places to level. there ater 2 exits in melencia, there are boats to falme, it's a major intersection, but it's not pking viciously like willow....

it's not just camping... it's Taking over with a toll of passage...

we have taken ofer that area many times as posted, AND had DMs come in ant try to pk us with their chars for fun, and also had some joined us a few times....

and the people that come to theese takeovers ARE NOT lowbies... they are grown characters that can defend themselves... and quite a few times we have been vanquished from the area... thus ending the take over!

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:42 pm

I was not referring to a specific instance, but rules in general. There was a thread on a specific instance that occurred, but it has been closed, since the matter is resolved. Therefore, to avoid the closure of a repeat thread, do not refer to the specific instance.

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:46 pm

this thread is meant to explay on the havoks thread closed by lordshelt...

this is just messy and i'm not liking it.

edit: APPLESAUCE!!!!

Post by **lordshelt** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:32 pm

I really wasn't worried so much about the camping of which none of KST got a warning (but another individual did). however, I was concerned about the multiple (as in more than 3 times within minutes) pks of a single player or in this case 2 players after i warned KST not to pk anymore and after i raised those players and asked them to leave the area were immediately pk'd 3 more times by KST despite my warning only seconds earlier.

Side note: KST Sirus also asked other KST not to pk them anymore after my warning and he too was ignored. I appreciate the effort though.

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:39 pm

is i take over an area i'm am allowed to pk how many times i can a player untill i die, this is when the 3 times every 6 hours rule gets overridden... because i'm not actively hunting a player, i'm protecting the area taken over. and not porting to another area unless the player trespasses without paying, then i come back to my area to protect it once again...

Celorn · Post by **Celorn** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:10 pm

I think the pk rules really should be fleshed out into GRAPHIC DETAIL to fully clarify every aspect of PKing for this kind of situation to be solved before it even happens - perhaps in a lengthy, legal-style format so that in future, there can and will be NO QUESTION as to if someone is in the right or wrong.

Perhaps too much is left up to the discression of the individual DMs - the rules do state that basically, if someone keeps running into the same area where they were PK'd then they need to go elsewhere until they know the place is safe...so it's the victims fault, not the PKer for knowingly and repeatedly putting themselves into a dangerous situation!

-In real life if you were walking down a street and someone was taking pot shots at you from a rooftop, would you keep walking down that same street?? NO (unless you're a complete fool) you'd go a different way, or check the news (in the case of NS4, the player listing or the shouts) to see if the shooter has been caught-

...sigh...

If we could just get this entire server more focused on FACTION RIVALIES as is the basis for the entire existence of NS4 (perhaps guild-organized patrol and defense) we wouldn't have so much of the boredom-inspired 'griefing' that goes on.

Also, factions/towns need to draw enemy factions into them for more than just leveling from 16-20 - I have tons of ideas that I've been thinking about that I won't detail in this thread...

Post by **lordshelt** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:19 pm

I may buy that however, it doesn't really explain the ignoring a DM and PKing someone who was raised by a DM so they could leave your "Tolled" area back to avendell so they could find a different route. a total of 3 times. I.E DM warning not to pk, raise, you pk anyway, raise, you pk again, raise, and yet again you PK them immediately upon raise... what part of that you don't see as rule breaking i'll never know.

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:24 pm

oh, but the players can respawn... because they where pked they will not loose XP and seeing a dm raising a player looks like favoritism....

Post by **lordshelt** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:49 pm

lol grasping for straws now are we?

deathdearler1 · Post by **deathdearler1** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:50 pm

kromix....when a DM says stop....you stop. there are no questions there are no excuses. a DM has the ultimate say on anything that goes here. if problems arise in which you question what has happened to pm it to a ranking DM for an "unbiased" review. taking your issues to the general forums is not only bad form it really makes you look like your crying. all that aside i can already see this getting taken care of and the thread getting locked just so you will stop with the forum match to prove how right you think you are.

Post by **TGPO** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:55 pm

This issue has been forwarded and is being looked into for a second time.

deathdearler1 · Post by **deathdearler1** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:58 pm

told ya..TGPO is gonna hammer you guys now....all of ya....even me i bet.

KST_HAVOK · Post by **KST_HAVOK** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:45 pm

First off there is favoritisim for ANYONE when your on that is not kst.

I was killed 3 times by a char y wasnt i raised multiple times by your ever so just hand.

Also you would rez the lobies and they would run at us like idiots again and again and again everytime you would rez them and if this was illeagle then we would have been talked to by dm's chase and yonwe for they were on when we have done it before.

I just find it funny that every time kst is on "lordshelt" always has an issue occur where kst is breaking rules.

hhmmmmmmmmm i wonder y chase, deception, netrom,, yonwe, ect.....
have never had problems with us?

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