dragon knight summons

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:43 pm

anyone know why the solar is so much better than the rest? i mean it heals twice and can take on multiple ppl all at the same time. the balor is nice, but stops to cast harm 15 times for 10 damage a shot. from what i hear the slaad is a joke to bring out against anything...any reason why good is so much better?

MLoki · Post by **MLoki** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:55 pm

True.. the Solar is even better then the coveted Master Lich. A 25th level Wizards Solar went up against a 32nd level Palemasters Master Lich and won. It's odd that the Master Lich doesn't cast anything at all while the solar starts combat with Dispel and Wall of Swords and uses Heal up to three times when it's wounded. All the while the Lich just keeps punching away while taking massive hits from the Solars sword. Doesn't seem quite right when the Wizard also gets the full compliment of spells to go with his summons and the PM has limited spell power to back his summons up with. Perhaps if the summons abilities were allowed to stack with the summons spells this may help. But the Master Lich summon in itself is not all that.

MLoki

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:41 pm

did it atleast have immune crits that worked properly?

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:29 pm

Being the person with the level 25 solar i have something to add to this....

The summons all have different traits....

The solar has heals and despells..... but lacks in HP and damage doing at max un resested, is only 50.....

The salaad fully buffed has really no decent spells.... but can do up to 80 damage in one hit ..... not a real good trade off.

The balor is a joke.....

The Master lich isnt the best PM summon .... i would be glad to test my solar vs a Level 30 PM summon..... If it beats that then i would have to agree it needs some rework ...

But also in the defense of my summon i do have epic cong focous ....

the undead summons ( ie black guard and PM ) have the immune to crit but have weak damage...

mabey if they casted some spells and mabey had a weapon to buff.... it would help alot..........

I am curently testing the solar in a new build that should be the strongest solar build ...........

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:06 pm

maybe have it cast harm once on itself? :p

Silver Lady · Post by **Silver Lady** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:28 am

maybe he doesn't need to cast Harm? Maybe something else? Or some auras for him ....

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:21 am

MasterYoda wrote:The Master lich isnt the best PM summon .... i would be glad to test my solar vs a Level 30 PM summon..... If it beats that then i would have to agree it needs some rework ...

Problem is that wizard has bunch of powerful spells on his own, PM doesn't. I too have a problem with the summons in general. Why does summon have like +10 AB compared with my lvl 33?

I hate the fact that while wizards and clerics are already the most powerful characters, already sporting bunch of powerful spells and buffs they also get a summon that is as powerful as a full player of a really high level. So when you are fighting against wizard with solar, it feels like fighting against 2 players, which compliment one another(one is caster other one is melee). Wizards and clerics are hard enough to fight without crazy summons.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:43 am

Maybe change summons a little so that they aren't as offensively powerful. Leave them with their ability to stay alive, but reduce their attack to a mere annoyance.

lordvan52681 · Post by **lordvan52681** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:30 pm

he way I understand it, the best summons went to the non-casters: BG, PM , and SD. as for Jesters suggestion, they did tha, theyre called undead.

Planar summons might have a good summons but they are capped (dont ask me where, i dont have any lvl 30+ characters), whereas the mummy isnt.

Having fought PvP with a variety of characters, the only time I ever had a problem with summons was with the PM lvl 40 sumons (whiped me out without a thought).

If we want to make fighters stand up t owizards, try to find a way to make fighters better, not weaken wizards.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:00 pm

There's a limit of 1 summoned creature/character... One possible change to help fighters would be to create more summoning items useable by non-casters. Anyone else remember Kitthix, the Moon Dog, or the Golden Lion from BG2?

lordvan52681 · Post by **lordvan52681** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:29 pm

yeah, i liked the horn of valere that summoned vikings lol

good idea, because if they have the spell, then they wont need the item. whereas non-caster do.but there is such an item already, only you gotta be lvl 16 and lawful to use it.

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:42 pm

Ok I see the sides of both ..... I don't see a real reason to do anything with the summons......

Level 40 pm bg or sd probbally would wipe clean any other summon out there......

For a cleric to even get something that can compare

Clerics need to take conj focous, greater conj focous, epic cong focous, dragon knight, sacrafice a domain to take either good or evil.

Now the cleric is sacraficing a domain , making it not possible to make that tnt cleric with a crazy summon. Also they have to sacrafice t epic feats to get epic conj and dragon knight.......

Along with all this now it makes the cleric weaker since you don't have those extra feats to mabey go wm or to foocus into necro and evo to be a straight casting cleric.

Don't get me wrong they are still prob by far the best casting class ...... But I think it doesn't need to be nerfed.....

Like van said above make the other summons better....

Make the undead cast harm on there selves....

Make the master lich cast spells.....

I'm not sure what the solution should be but it does need some rework in my oppinion......

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:59 pm

I agree with yoda there really isnt a reason to do anything. I belive the one reason the solar is so good and the only reason, is the buffs that the cleric/mage put on it. An unbuffed solar would be toast aginst a 25th-30th level monk or fighter. Besides when we talk summons all you need is a greater dismissal spell and the problem is solved. So if you can beat this summon with one spell it cant be that tough. And as i understand it the solar is a good alignment based summon. So maybe just make the solar availble to good characters, make undead summon unavailble to them and visa versus for evil.

And as a note i belive this thread was started because a DD and you R were waiting outside ave lastnight togeather for low level FoN members to come out, and it happened to be a high level FoN cleric instead which happened to have a buffed solar who defended the low level characters, killing them both with alittle help from a couple of LA toons. Changes should not be made to the server because someone has sore feelings and cant hanlde alittle of their own medicine.

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:10 pm

Well said AMEN BROTHER !!!!!

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:27 pm

actually..this post has nothing to do with ppl getting the beat down and being upset about it. its a question of why the solar is so much better than the other 2 summons under dragon knight.

the beefy summons for BG, PM, and SD aren't part of the dragon knight question. the solar gets a weapon, gets its own buffs, heals itself 2-3 times, has nice ac, and can tank most moderately made lvl 30 fighters without the casters help at all. if you throw in cleric support with buffs and such then its a monster.

i haven't seen a slaad last very long in any battle except with very low lvl chars. the balor is a nice setup but usually dies while it casts 10 non hurting harms on anything that moves. even when buffed the balor lasts a minimal amount of time compared to the solar.

so i ask again....why is the solar so much better than the other 2?