Basic Endgame Character Building Guidelines - Revision history

Teigrgwyn: updated some save DCs due to +1 DC every 10 caster levels

2026-02-27T03:24:11Z

updated some save DCs due to +1 DC every 10 caster levels

Teigrgwyn: Undo revision 9738 by Teigrgwyn (talk)

2026-02-21T01:45:38Z

Undo revision 9738 by Teigrgwyn (talk)

Teigrgwyn: added note indicating engine limitation on speed

2026-02-21T01:44:17Z

added note indicating engine limitation on speed

Apumx at 18:18, 11 February 2026

2026-02-11T18:18:09Z

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Apumx at 14:22, 11 February 2026

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Apumx at 14:17, 11 February 2026

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Garn: /* Weapons */ flurry of blows was changed to work for quarterstaves & shurikens

2023-11-20T21:26:19Z

Weapons: flurry of blows was changed to work for quarterstaves & shurikens

Garn: /* Weapons */

2023-11-20T21:25:47Z

Weapons

Garn: /* Weapons */

2023-11-20T21:25:08Z

Weapons

Garn: /* Weapons */ dwarven waraxes don't suck anymore

2023-11-20T21:22:43Z

Weapons: dwarven waraxes don't suck anymore

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 * '''[[Death Attack]]''': DC 61 (or cast [[Freedom of Movement|FoM]]/[[Forest Imbued Leather]])
 * '''[[Stunning Fist]]''': DC 50+
-* '''[[Implosion]]''': DC 47-48 ([[Northern Coalition]])
+* '''[[Implosion]]''': DC 51-52 ([[Northern Coalition]])
-* '''[[Great Thunderclap]]''': DC 43-46 (deafen)
+* '''[[Great Thunderclap]]''': DC 47-50 (deafen)
 '''Reflex:'''
 * '''[[Grease]]''': DC 25 <span style="color:#8b0000;">(ignores SR!)</span>
-* '''[[Earthquake]]''': DC 48 (ignores SR, friendly fires)
+* '''[[Earthquake]]''': DC 49-51 (ignores SR, friendly fires)
 * '''Fire Dragon Breath''': DC 50, 20d10 fire

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-Most weapon types good. Max enhancement: '''+6 to +8''' ([[:Category:Shuriken|Shurikens]] only go to +5).
+Most weapon types good. Max enhancement: '''+6 to +8''' ([[:Category:Shuriken|Shurikens]]/[[:Category:Sickles|Sickles]] only +5).
 <span style="color:#8b0000; font-weight:bold;">✗ Avoid:</span> [[:Category:Bastard Swords|Bastard Sword]], [[:Category:Dwarven Waraxes|Dwarven Waraxe]] (unless [[:Category:Dwarf|dwarf]]), [[:Category:Clubs|Club]], [[:Category:Darts|Dart]], [[:Category:Crossbows, Light|Light Crossbow]], [[:Category:Axes, Throwing|Throwing Axe]], [[:Category:Sickles|Sickle]]. STR unarmed only for [[Shifter|shapeshifters]].
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 Does '''NOT''' quicken spells. Casters need [[Automatic Quicken Spell]] III.
-'''Stacking:'''
+'''Stacking:''' [[Barbarian Fast Movement]] fully stacks. [[Monk Endurance|Monk Speed]] partially stacks (−5% per 3 [[Monk|monk]] levels). Haste doesn't stack with [[Expeditious Retreat]].
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 '''[[Haste]]''' — Vast majority of [[Cleric|Clerics]] take [[Travel Domain]]. [[Barbarian]]s get free undispellable haste while raging at 25+ levels.<br/>
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 '''[[Dragonskin Boots]]''' — 2x/day, duration = raw STR score, undispellable. Need 25+ naked unbuffed STR.<br/>
 '''[[Blinding Speed]]''' — 2 rounds/level (80 rounds at 40), +1 dodge AC, undispellable.<br/>
-'''[[Monk Endurance|Monk Speed]]''' — Partially stacks with haste (-5% effectiveness per 3 monk levels).<br/>
+'''[[Monk Endurance|Monk Speed]]''' — Partial stack with haste.<br/>
 '''Pure [[Fighter]] Sprint Token''' — 1 round/level, 2x/day.<br/>
 '''[[Wild Shape]]: Panther''' — Passive +50%, save Blinding Speed for combat.<br/>

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-Most weapon types good. Max enhancement: '''+6 to +8''' ([[:Category:Shuriken|Shurikens]]/[[:Category:Sickles|Sickles]] only +5).
+Most weapon types good. Max enhancement: '''+6 to +8''' ([[:Category:Shuriken|Shurikens]] only go to +5).
 <span style="color:#8b0000; font-weight:bold;">✗ Avoid:</span> [[:Category:Bastard Swords|Bastard Sword]], [[:Category:Dwarven Waraxes|Dwarven Waraxe]] (unless [[:Category:Dwarf|dwarf]]), [[:Category:Clubs|Club]], [[:Category:Darts|Dart]], [[:Category:Crossbows, Light|Light Crossbow]], [[:Category:Axes, Throwing|Throwing Axe]], [[:Category:Sickles|Sickle]]. STR unarmed only for [[Shifter|shapeshifters]].
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 Does '''NOT''' quicken spells. Casters need [[Automatic Quicken Spell]] III.
-'''Stacking:''' [[Barbarian Fast Movement]] fully stacks. [[Monk Endurance|Monk Speed]] partially stacks (−5% per 3 [[Monk|monk]] levels). Haste doesn't stack with [[Expeditious Retreat]].
+'''Stacking:'''
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 '''[[Haste]]''' — Vast majority of [[Cleric|Clerics]] take [[Travel Domain]]. [[Barbarian]]s get free undispellable haste while raging at 25+ levels.<br/>
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 '''[[Dragonskin Boots]]''' — 2x/day, duration = raw STR score, undispellable. Need 25+ naked unbuffed STR.<br/>
 '''[[Blinding Speed]]''' — 2 rounds/level (80 rounds at 40), +1 dodge AC, undispellable.<br/>
-'''[[Monk Endurance|Monk Speed]]''' — Partial stack with haste.<br/>
+'''[[Monk Endurance|Monk Speed]]''' — Partially stacks with haste (-5% effectiveness per 3 monk levels).<br/>
 '''Pure [[Fighter]] Sprint Token''' — 1 round/level, 2x/day.<br/>
 '''[[Wild Shape]]: Panther''' — Passive +50%, save Blinding Speed for combat.<br/>

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 * [[Bless]], [[Aid]], [[Prayer]]
 * [[Haste]]
 * [[True Seeing]], [[Ultravision]]
 * [[Light]], [[Darkness]]

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 -Dire Maces gain +1 to their critical threat multiplier, which stacks with both Devastating Critical and Increased Multiplier.<br>
 -Tridents innately have a 19-20 critical threat range, where as their innate threat range was only 20 before; this threat range is increased by 2 points by each of Improved Critical: trident, and the keen weapon property, together resulting in 15-20/x2(not 17-20/x2). This can obviously stack with [[Overwhelming Critical]] and [[Ki Critical]], granting a combined total of an 11-20 threat range.<br>
--Quarterstaves use the Monk's special unarmed base attack bonus progression if you are a Monk, but you cannot use Flurry of Blows with quarterstaves.<br>
+-Quarterstaves use the Monk's special unarmed base attack bonus progression if you are a Monk, and you can use Flurry of Blows with quarterstaves.<br>
--Shurikens use the Monk's special unarmed base attack bonus progression if you are a Monk, but you cannot use Flurry of Blows with shurikens.<br>
+-Shurikens use the Monk's special unarmed base attack bonus progression if you are a Monk, and you can use Flurry of Blows with shurikens.<br>
 Additionally, some weapons have options available that have an extra damage type; specifically:<br>

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 Do note that you can't make use of a large critical threat range if you can barely hit your opponent in the first place, so if your attack bonus is only going to be "Decent", then consider specializing in a weapon that has a low critical threat range, as opposed to one with a medium or high critical threat range.<br>
-Furthermore, '''some weapons types have had their base properties changed in Neversummer 4''', and these changes are not reflected in the items' tooltips. These changes include:<br>
+Furthermore, '''some weapons types have had their base properties changed in Neversummer 4''', and these changes are not necessarily reflected in the items' tooltips. These changes include:<br>
 -The base damage type dealt by Scythes is only slashing, whereas it was both piercing and slashing before.<br>
 -The base damage type dealt by Heavy Flails is both bludgeoning and piercing, whereas it was only bludgeoning before.<br>

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 === Weapons ===
 Most weapon types are currently good for building an optimal character around.<br>
-Unfortunately, the following few weapon types are not advisable to build your character around, either because they aren't worth the feat or because a high-enough-level option doesn't exist for them; these weapons are the Bastard Sword(which would be okay if not outclassed by the longsword), the Dwarven Waraxe(which isn't worth the feat over a battleaxe or warhammer), the Club(not counting the demonflesh golem's weapon), the Dart, the Light Crossbow, the Throwing Axe, and, unless you know '''exactly''' what you're building, the Sickle.<br>
+Unfortunately, the following few weapon types are not advisable to build your character around, either because they aren't worth the feat or because a high-enough-level option doesn't exist for them; these weapons are the Bastard Sword(which would be okay if not outclassed by the longsword), the Dwarven Waraxe(unless you're a dwarf), the Club(not counting the demonflesh golem's weapon), the Dart, the Light Crossbow, the Throwing Axe, and, unless you know '''exactly''' what you're building, the Sickle.<br>
 Furthermore, you shouldn't build your character around Unarmed Strike if you're a strength-focused character unless you're a shapeshifter of some sort, since the options for hard-hitting gloves that have high strength aren't very good compared to the ones with less strength on them.<br>